jimmy briggs, co-founder and director of the "man up" campaign and an international radio host and journalist. this is such an interesting topic. black love. does it even exist. >> i'd like to think so. >> i think it's outrageous! i have to just say this. every time we talk about black love it is from a point of crisis. it's died. it's been dead. it's buried. in a wake. in an obituary. i'm like have you met the president of the united states of america and his wife, michelle obama? clearly black love doesn't just exist, it thrives and moves, it evolves. >> we are we getting divorced all of the time? >> let me just be clear. it is not just black folk. divorce rate across america is one thing. when you don't separate and think about the totals and sums of the black community there is always this picture of doom and gloom and that inaccuracy feeds that crisis notion. love is dead. >> divorce rates are high. people are writing books about it. is black love alive? >> i think it is alive but they used to say a sniffle in the large community in the black community. i think the divorce rate, it is a