compared to the other prices, marin and san francisco look comparable period supervisor mirkari. i believe the first capture was 9000. it may have eroded down to 8000. they have been operational -- tomorrow will be the one-year anniversary. with opt outs and customers moving, they have lost a few. at this point, they are at 8000. supervisor mirkarimi: the start of money required to instigate, we understand they have now paid off everything they required in order to initiate the program. the program has now moved from read into black. is that correct? >> is my understanding the program did moved from read into black. when you are saying they paid off, they did pay off early private loans but they did that with bank loans. they did that -- they still do have some financing costs and debt service costs. but they are in the black. supervisor mirkarimi: we heard this circulating recently around those who were commenting that they were way ahead of schedule in terms of what their ability is to satisfy their debt service cost. >> that is right. supervisor mirkarimi: my interpretation is