. >> you said you consider yourself a liberal -- [inaudible] neil ferguson, professor at harvard, justpublished an article in "newsweek" stating that the obama administration's response to egypt was a disaster. as a liberal realist, how would you grade the administration's response, and looking forward towards how they should respond to iran and the other countries that may have similar revolts, how would you look at that? >> i think, actually, obama's response on egypt is not a disaster. and this is, this is a good example of what i mean by needing a strategy. if you think about should i abandon the government, should i, should i forget the government, well, no. sorry. government is the most important actor. i still have major objectives in the hard power world like balancing iranian strategy, like maintaining the peace between israel and egypt. to just say, oh, the sooner we overthrow mubarak the better, and suppose you wind up with chaos after that, that's not a foreign policy. a human rights policy is part of a foreign policy, it's not a foreign policy. it's a human rights policy.