thousand and four to support the orange revolution would very much like to forget about it is that when you people started to understand that they became a part of a political kariya but the revolution was orchestrated by bialik arcs and the money was invested in it i think you get those people were friends of you shingo completely wrecked off the country. most of the opponents of the orange revolution will world war two veterans kiev the coming day may the ninth two thousand and six in a public address president bush and co praises ukrainian nationalists for their service to the ukrainian people red army veterans were deeply insulted should the soldiers of ukraine insurgent army also fought against the fascist invaders ukrainians have fought in different armies. the. presidency was marked by a vigorous campaign to rehabilitate ukrainian nationalist in one of his last decrees he noted what he described as nationalist leader stepan been there as service to me crane. was floated this while i hereby award in the title of hero of ukraine to stay pond and darragh. the decree sparked a wave o

just lost the only left over from the revolution is this orange jacket. ukrainian society is split that's the main outcome of the orange revolution among scientists the country's pro russian east while in western ukraine hostile attitudes towards the entire soviet era a quiet calm and. right for you crying the race for heroes right for you the race for heroes no to fascism no to fascism. over the twenty years of independence the high dam square the scene more demonstrations and rallies in some other capitals around that time history. of. the basque is an industrial area in crane's east twentieth century people used to come here from all over the soviet union in search of jobs. work status of the coal mining is considered the most prestigious. in soviet times the more than a hundred coal mines in damascus all of them received government subsidies the most distinguished miners received popular acclaim just so. i. but during the bill when coal miners were regarded as the elite of the workforce what they were paid higher wages than everyone else to be receive

it was called the orange revolution. named for the campaign color of opposition presidential candidate victor yushchenko and his coalition ally. >> it was a big victory for the people who came out to the square. they came out because they wanted freedom and a better future. they had faith and they actually changed ukraine. >> reporter: in 2004 ukrainian voters chose opposition leader for president. when the ruling party fraudulently declared their candidate the winner the people took to the streets. >> there was no other way to do this. all my friends, all my family was there. >> reporter: this woman was only 19 when she joined as many as half a million other people in 17 days of protest. until the supreme court ordered a revote. in early 2005, victor yushchenko was sworn in as president and chose his opponent as his prime minister. did things turn out the way you hoped it would? >> we're getting a new president which is quite an accomplishment in a way. which is something nobody would believe we would do. the thing is t

european and american media since the beginning of the ninety's and especially during the so-called orange revolution i think it's a simplification and it led to all sorts misunderstandings even you know the feeling of you should cause idealized for a long time by westerners until when the end of his rule he suddenly made but there are a very controversial controversial extremist figure or ukrainian nationalist movement he said and made him a hero of ukraine we've seen similar events in the former soviet republics and what's driving this and even s.s. marches and the like. well there are various reasons for that in the baltics and in the western ukraine of course there is a lot of resentment against the soviet period and this reserve is encouraged by the west instead of believe it it. certainly for the status for some time there was no alternative there was people are hostile it so. there are some people who think that he would be better than stalin and unfortunately part of western dress encourages these sorts you talk about the west then and in some growing national movements in western europe are

in 2004, you had the orange revolution that looked like the demonstrations in egypt and tunisia. they got rid of an old communist that had stolen an election but they couldn't deliver on good government. they scaubled... new democratic leaders among themselves and the guy that stole that election... >> rose: when he got reelected did he come wearing a different badge and a different argument? >> a little bit. he had moderated a little bit but he's basically the same guy i think with basically authoritarian instincts so in a way it was a huge disappointment because the democratic forces couldn't create durable institutions. >> so there is a gap between the instinct for democratic and liberal democracies and the capacity to create and maintain and sustain them >> that's right. and the gap is called an institution. an institution is something durable. it lasts beyond the personality of a particular leader or organizers and it means you'll have a democracy that can deliver what people want which is education, health care, responsive government, all of these things. >> rose: you argue

that are going to continue to fall in the middle east in the same they when you had the orange and rose revolutions in the former s.u.v. that was going to sweep away authoritarian regimes from that part of the world. it hasn't happened. >> rose: they didn't become democrats. >> precisely. and i think you're going to see most of the dictatorss in the region and the middle east are going to still be the dictateors. the point steven just made that i agree is that the turks are actually showing some inconsistent any a policy that they've made historically, which is that on the one hand they really want to be this model of the secular democratic state that has an islamic people across the region. on the other hand they want to build their economic ties. they've been incredibly success at building their economic interests across the region. so across the middle east turkish soap operas are popular. everyone wants to be a tourist in turkey. the most exciting investment story is iraq. turkish companies are better positioned for white goods, construction and energy than anyone else in the region. those are