pensionned in aren't and -- it is in our attention palance -- our pension plans. we talk about earnings, they are large, but they are large because they are large companies. you are punishing the retirees and their 401 k plans, the firefighters' union, the policemen, and others who invest in oil and natural gas. >> exxon made in $10 billion in three months. >> that is what i would like to dispel. >> the you think it would affect the industry? >> let's talk about what those are. these are company-wide industries. these are available to google, microsoft, etc., and the proposals are punitive. they have identified five oil and gas companies, and they are saying, we are going to take that away from you. we are going to leave it for the other industries, but we are going to punish you because you are successful. the oil and natural gas industry supports the employment of 9.2 million americans. we believe there are another 1 million american jobs and we can create. why we would want to penalize a successful peace of our american industry is beyond us. >> and wood indust