as you know, the big question mark in the arab world remains saudi arabia. will the central banker of oil be the next one to face revolt and revolution? a fascinating conversation with the 26th richest man in the world, saudi prince al waleed. >>> later, who says only mother nature can make rain? we'll explain. >>> but first up -- the chances of peace in the middle east after the latest round of speeches by prime minister netanyahu and president obama. i'll be joined by tom friedman of "the new york times" who is just back from the middle east. >>> now, here's my take for this week. we've just gone through an arcane debate about whether barack obama said anything new when he called for an israeli/palestinian settlement based on 1967 borders with mutually agreed upon land swaps. in fact, that has been the working assumption of all negotiating parties, america, israel and the palestinian authority, for over 20 years. it is what the camp david talks of 2000 were based on. it's what elmerit's talks were based on. the real shift in u.s. policy was president obama

in saudi arabia. and right now saudi arabia is looking at the potential of having a new laws enacted to protect people in the system. it's a wake-up call for all the region. and saudi arabia is not immune from any of what is happening. and i hope and i'm sure the king will begin looking at some political reforms in saudi arabia. >> let me ask you, your highness, about the events of the week. of course president obama meeting with prime minister netanyahu on friday. and president obama this weaken endorsed the idea of building a palestinian state based on the borders dating back to the 1967 six-day war in israel. is this two-state solution viable? >> this is the only way to go to resolve the palestinian-israeli situation. it's very important for the states to follow through with obama's speech. >> of course prime minister netanyahu was very upset by this. so i wonder what the reaction was in the mid east to netanyahu's upset. >> i think the middle eastern situation is very clear. all arab countries wou

osama bin laden grew up in the boomtown of jeddah, saudi arabia, a town his father helped build. >> saudi arabia in the 1960s was of course a fantastically wealthy kingdom. jeddah was its main door to the west, main port on the red sea and a huge amount of building had taken place. i taught osama bin laden english in saudi arabia from 1968 to 1969. osama sat about two-thirds of the way back on the right by the windows. he was not an outstanding student academically. on the other hand, he was a very bright boy. >> reporter: although arabic and religious instruction took priority, the al fatah school, one of the top schools in the kingdom, was surprisingly progressive. >> the boys had a western uniform. they had trousers, shirts, jackets and shoes. >> reporter: he had taught a number of bin laden's brothers. osama's family was well-known in saudi arabia. his father's career was the stuff of legend. >> the bin ladens were almost a storybook success. >> reporter: in saudi arabia the bin laden name is everywhere. it's a vast empire with humble beginnings. the family patriarch, mohammed, seen h

a final point to make on the symbiotic saudi arabia/al-qaeda relationship, outside the arabian peninsula, is that saudi activities abroad relieve al-qaeda for the need to fund staff and manage a humanitarian educational health services wing like those that are run by hamas, hezbollah, and the muslim brotherhood and, therefore, bin laden is allowed to focus on spreading his organization and planning military activities. bin laden, al-qaeda, and their allies and those they inspire then are the third of the persian gulf threats. and they are, i think, the most dangerous to the united states. they are the most dangerous not because they are more powerful than the united states, nor because they are supported by all muslims, they are most dangerous -- they are the most dangerous gulf origin, that the elite has uniformly refused to accept reality. from the first bush to clinton to george w. bush to barack obama, americans have been told that they're at war because al-qaeda and its allies are motivated by hatred for our liberty, way of life, and democratic institutions. this is a palpable, leth

for example, the big one you mentioned, saudi arabia. united states cannot take -- cannotage tate for reform in saudi arabia. instability in saudi arabia would be devastating, would mean $250 a barrel oil. it could mean the western world or whole world would be plunged into another global recession. he has to balance that against the democratic aspirations of people in the arab world. no president is ever going to be able to be perfectly consistent. and so he's going to have to live with the fact that for many people in the arab world, particularly some of the activists he'll be seen as inconsistent and seen as a hip poe krit. i would argue it comes with the territory. >> near the end of the speech, the president turned to the generations old problem, the israeli/palestinian conflict and the white house viewed this as an even handed speech. he wants israel to think about going back to the 1967 borders and palestinians, the hamas faction needs to come to the table ready to recognize israel. yesterday, fareed, the israeli prime minister, n

bin laden opposed the alliance between the united states and saudi arabia. he began training his force to carry out attacks aimed at getting the u.s. military out of foreign lands. he was accused of master minding attacks. the downing of a u.s. helicopter in somalia. the world trade center bombing. the bombing of u.s. military barracks in saudi arabia. the 1998 twin bombings and the attack on "uss cole" in 2000. his most devastating terrorist activity was the 2001 attack on the trade center in new york city and the pentagon attack. however, after american troops moved into the country in 2002, he was forced to flee to the remote caves and mountains. the search for bin laden was like no other in history. he remained an elusive quary. he remained one step ahead of his foes. >>> bin laden was found in a mansion in a medium sized city near the pakistani military schools. obama -- president obama reached out to president become and george w. bush. he issued a statement that read, this moe mentous achievement marks a victory for america for the people who seek pea

saudi arabia. he did not talk also about the realities of having to deal with each country differently. there cannot be a one-size-fits- all policy in the middle east. >> no president says that. who is the last president who condemned human rights in saudi arabia -- >> can you do that when gases over $4 a gallon? >> it is not going to have been paid this -- it is not going to happen. this is realpolitik. david ignatius had an interesting piece on friday where he said the problem with the obama administration is that it does not have a say should diplomat who can crack heads -- zinski or to center, -- or kissinger, or holbrooke, who was so reined in. it did seem like a very interesting idea that if you control the message so much, control your people so much, or george mitchell some much, you can never get over the hump. by the way, the president did not say anything about george mitchell, who just stepped out, which seemed to me sort of a small. >> george mitchell, who succeeded in northern ireland

interests in the region, where the region is going is saudi arabia. and i'd be very curious what you think about the ate of u.s./saudi relations. whether there's a danger there. the saudis are advertising every way they can how unhappy they are about the u.s. abandoning president mubarak and egypt. they're sending emissaries to china to see about possible new relationships with china and other countries in asia. are you concerned about the u.s./saudi relationship? do you think the president should have said something about saudi arabia today? >> i am concerned about the relationship because i'm concerned about the general deterioration of american position in the middle east. when i served in the white house-- which was, of course, decades ago,ut still, within the living span of most americans-- we had four fries of importance in the middle east: iran, an ally; saudi arabia, close to us, dependent on us, we on them; egypt, accommodating; and tkey, tolly loyal to us and na, even a partner with us in the war in korea. think of those four. iran, an emy; e

saudi arabia. the place where america's interests and values most obviously clash. i don't blame him. street protests in saudi arabia might warm our hearts, but they could easily lead to $250 a barrel oil and a global recession. that's a tough one. obama outlined specific policies to help the arab revolutions get consolidated. all good stuff. and he also talked about the need for a resolution of the israeli/palestinian conflict. with two states based on 1967 borders with land swaps that both parties agreed to and the palestinian partner that renounced terror. a blow at hamas. in other words, it was a comprehensive, fair, balanced speech. but the most difficult aspect of this arab revolution is not in understanding it right now. its causes are clear. the problem is it remains very much unfinished business. in egypt, where i stand, a successful people's movement dazzled the world and toppled a military dictatorship from power. but who is running egypt these months later? a military dictatorship complete with arbitrary arrests, torture, military trials and tear gas. wi

but remember saudi arabia has actual troops on the ground in bahrain. when it comes to religious freedom and women' rights which the president mentioned and i praise him for that, saudi arabia again is the worst offender especially when it company coulds to its shi'a minority and women's rights. so i heard for a domestic audience those missing might not be important but for the people on the ground who far outpace the u.s., i think they will be disappointed that president obama didn't mention that. >> brown: let me bring in martin indyk, without do you think he was actually addressing in this speech? and start to bring in the issue that he did talk b the emphasis on israeli and the palestinians. >> well, i think he was clearly addressing the arab world. and indeed extending-- sending a very clear signal that he intended to align the united states as rami khouri has suggested with the people there may not have been a mention of saudi arabia but i can assure you that the saudi royal family, and the king in particular will not be happy at all with what the

saudi arabia is feudal with a king top. with massive oil wealth which is used to keep his people happy. bahrain is a sunni minority feuding over-- ruling over shi'a ma jort. where the shi'as confront it, the sunni rers with the encouragement of iran to get a bigger share of power. which will have repercussions on saudi arabia because the oil wells to the et are all shi'a. saudi a yab-- arabia can-- and put it down. but they are two different types of problems. i would go along with what saudi arabia and bahrain and what is being done in libya-- i think libya, more has to be done to resolve the problem with qaddafi. >> is there a humanitarian reason to do this? >> the way he has kill kd his own people has made him war criminal. i mean he has been branded a war criminal. >> rose: so he has no choice but to fight to the end. >> that's right. >> rose: there's no way he can buy his way out or anything else? >> well, you can't see, i mean in the end he may do a plea bargain. but who will take him? >> rose: what does t world want

i, by the way, understand why he didn't bring up saudi arabia. it is the case where our short-term interests are not compatible with our long-term values. he highlighted the fact that there would be such occasions. he didn't point out that this was the specific one. if there were instability in saudi arabia, you are looking at $250 a barrel oil. that would potentially plunge the entire western war -- perhaps the entire world -- into another recession. so i think there are good reasons to be somewhat cautious about change in saudi arabia. i think that he also gave a speech that i would be surprised if anyone in israel would object to because he was very clear that israel's legitimate security interests have to be taken care of. he was very clear on the fact that hamas could not be negotiated with as long as it refused to recognize israel and called for its destruction. i think that there are many of those kinds of key issues that israelis were worried he would either ignore or half-state. he stated pretty fully. so i thought he was quite even-hand

that also had troops going to wagner in the saudi arabia that supposedly reportedly the u.s. is working on a air and missile defense system with how can you give a speech and talk about change in the middle east and north africa talk about women's rights and never even bring i'm sorry arabia. well like i've said before the region it has regimes within it who have all capitulated to u.s. interests what some more than others you will never hear mr obama come out and condemn the saudi government or the yemeni government but you will hear him condemn the syrian government and the libyan government and there are reasons for all of these things he talked about the reigning in. interference in bahrain it's not the military which is in bahrain it's the american military which is based in bahrain it's also the saudis who are based there as well and he talked about the rights of women why not talk about saudi arabia where women are currently mobilizing because they want to drive it's not even illegal for them to drive why don't talk about that why and i'm totally with you there and i t

than in egypt and if if syria follows then jordan will i think definitely i think fall and saudi arabia will be more surrounded than before because right now the saudis have very poor relations with iraq with iran with baron obviously. in yemen things are very unstable there is a weak central government the north of yemen the who have very poor relations with the saudis because of the bombing of their villages by the saudi regime last year and in the south there and their salahi's which are hostile towards the saudis despite the fact that the saudi ruling family aside i think itself so i think that if jordan falls the saudis will be in in a lot of trouble especially with the situation in egypt they're not very friendly with the soviets now either so serious that you're very busy. go ahead jonathan jump in jonathan go ahead i didn't i think that's a big leap to say that because this term that my ronnie and friend used as they call the opposition in syria solid fist that's a pretty binary look i mean syria has a lot of people opposed to assad right now there are variances druze in the sou

. >> why 15 of 19 hijackers from saudi arabia? >> i don't know how much saudi arabia and money is there but i'm sure it is a great number. 15 of the hijackers were from saudi arabia simply because the u.s. state department had a special program with saudi arabia. they did not have this with any other nation on earth called visa express' breeden did not have to go to the consulate or embassy and look at an affairs officer and show identification. all but could be done by a travel agent. it was more or less rubber- stamp. it was easier to get a u.s. travel visa from saudi that was from great britain. while some of these requests from yemen and egypt and elsewhere were denied, all the saudi one for granted. >> you keep telling us it is our own fault and away with the special deals. providing easy access at colleges. do we need to reexamine the way we look at the rest of the world? >> i think we do. i'm not someone who is paranoid about things overseas but i think we need to be realistic. we need to rethink the college experience so t

his extremist views catch the attention of saudi arabia's conservative monarchy. targeted as a troublemaker he flees underground. december, 1992 al-qaeda's first attack against americans. bomb aimed at u.s. soldiers in a yemen yemeni hotel instead ks two austrian tourists. he strikes the america homeland for the first time. a truck bomb, aimed at the iconic target that obsesses him. the world trade center. the shaken tower is whole but tiks die. >> how far were you from the blast itself? >> the bomb went off. it was a very loud blast and i was thrown i would say anywhere between 8 to 12 feet across the room. the ceilings collapsed and the walls collapsed. we were all worried and didn't know what to do. there was nothing but debris, lockers, cinder blocks all over the place. it is horrible. a really traumatic experience. >> bin laden bases his operation in the troubled african nation of sudan. >> beginning in 1992, bin laden lived in this now padlocked house, warmly welcomed by a militantly islamic a tbeem. regime. >> from sudan, bin laden launches his bloodiest at

there wasn't but one of been a fishery from that analyst saudi arabia.: i look at it this way -- there wasn't one beneficiary, and that was saudi arabia. guest: they are an ideologically-driven organization and they are seeking to pursue a jihad against those folks they considered infidels. i think there's much more to it then potentially an economic connection. i think the economic impact is probably an outcome of their particular effort. i'm not convinced that an economic benefit to saudi arabia is the impetus behind osama bin laden's efforts. al qaeda is more than just osama bin laden. it was just an economic inches for saudi arabia, this effort would have fizzled out a long time ago. host: matt writes on twitter -- guest: i think there is some concern about the information we share with pakistan. in the past, the concern has been well we shared intelligence with pakistan and that we went to pursue those targets. those targets or were there. the efforts that pakistan is putting forward in keeping the intelligence security make sure that it stays actio

his anger was fueled during the presence in saudi arabia. he used family fortunes to fund attacks in afghanistan and sued an. two people were killed when two u.s. embassies were bombed and, again, al qaeda was blamed. >> military commander, are charged with carrying out the most heinous acts of terrorism and soldier. aplods the bm when the national international airport failed. next year, al qaeda scheduled. -- succeeded. and the al qaeda link attacks continue. terrorists blew up commuter trains in madrid. many believe those attacks from retaliation for their support in iraq. >> to most of the world, osama bin laden's name will be sin nom mus with -- synonymous of hate. to others he'll be viewed as a martyr. either way, he'll be known as the man that brought international terrorism in new york. >> immediately gathered outside the white house. several hundred people singing the national anthem and chanted usa. even fans who met phillies game if philadelphia, began chanting usa, usa. >> in san francisco, police told us the city is on hiden ale

to that end, if i concentrate on saudi arabia and most of the moslems in the world look to saudi arabia for guidance, your thoughts on that. how would we be dealing with saudi arabia if it wasn't for their sweet crude oil? that seems to be what we cannot do without. guest: when the founder of modern day saudi arabia took over and many millions of americans -- many millions of moslems do the haj and that affected what constituted islam. many of these ideas of the whabas has spread. saudi arabia has taken advantage of that. they do not live in a bubble. as much as their views are conservative, they are buffeted by the winds of change. i think the al-qaeda challenge prompted some internal reforms. it is not enough from our perspective but in terms of women's rights, absolutely, we have to pursue women's rights but it goes back to the issue of blow back. we can do as much as we can directed that these societies will change on their own terms and education is fundamental. we have an initiative along we have an initiative along those lines where we try to work with different voices. social ch

saudi arabia, incivility in saudi arabia means $250 barrel of oil, another global recession.vigate. he did fall back and gave people a broader sense of how people's values are powerfully aligned with what's happening in the middle east, why we should welcome it, why we should support it. he was successful though there are awkward places where our interests and values collide as in saudi arabia. >> you talk about some of those places, and people are looking for some kind of consistency. so after this, i don't know how much reaction you've been able to gauge so far, are people still going to be looking for that consistency and some people in these countries, folks that are down on streets, out there protesting in some places getting killed for what they believe in, are they going sit back and say, do we have a partner in the u.s. or in this president if we have to wait for him to balance out his country's interests and balance out his country's morals? >> reporter: you know, t.j., the most interesting thing about being here is you realize how much this is a wholly owned local s

his father was an immensely rich property developer in saudi arabia, and his family was huge. his childhood seems to have been a happy one. it was the soviet invasion of afghanistan and radicalized him. the cia helped to set him up, but that is not strictly true. they did back some of his fundamentalist allies in afghanistan. his view was that outsiders had no right to interfere in islamic countries. when saudi arabia allowed the americans to establish bases there before and after the first gulf war, osama bin laden went on the attack. he and his closest associates started planning attacks. in february 1993 came the first attack on new york. the bombing of the world trade center, killing six and injuring 1000. there are the embassy's in tanzania and kenya. more than 5000 injured. in october 2000, there was an attack on american warship, the uss cole, off the coast of yemen. and then, of course, the most savage attack of all, on september 11, 2001. it showed up various weaknesses in the newly established bush administration. the president was told the news, but seven long minut

now, in saudi arabia, this is not a really hard issue right now because there is no uprising in saudirabia. there ght be, someday. so we don't face the hard moment in saudi arabia right now. but in other countries -- and i think the united states is saying right now to leaders in countries like jordan and morocco that have seen limited protests but not real uprisings -- that we think it's time for you to undertake the kind of political and economic and social reforms that, frankly, you have been promising for a decade or more and you haven't done yet and it's time to really move now, to begin to move -- for example, monarchies toward constitutional monarchies, so in the countries where there are not active uprisings, that's what we need to be about. >> i think one of the things we failed to do in the past is we failed tarticulate the redlines for our friends. >> charlie: exactly. >> and then we never really sa, "our friendship can only go so far but once you cross a certain line it's over" and i think that's wt caught mubarak by surprise. and i think one of the opportunities the presi

it's intere -- saudi arabia. in a mansion surrounded by women and children, as he's sending people off on a mission to give themselves up, their lives up for a cause. when you knew him, did you ever see him perform an act of kindness? >> oh, he was just one in the crowds, endangering himself just like any other soldiers. but at that time, he was mainstream, following the guideline of proper islamic jihad. you don't kill innocent people, you don't commit jihad. bin laden did a damaging sect to islam. two important things, the indis-christmas nit killing of innocent people, a big taboo, a big mistake in islam. and the other thing, suicide attacks. suicide attacks is killing us the muse limbs, damaging us the muslims. and i just don't understand how he could tolerate sitting in his house in islamabad and hear about a young muslim entering a mosque and blowing up himself. that's totally absurd in islam. it's totally absurd by killing the innocent muslims and killing yourself.. it's just -- i would never imagine sitti

point, because if prices get too high, people are going to stop buying, and that's exactly what saudi arabiaworried about. saudi prince al waleed said yesterday that he wants to see prices come down from where they are right now, and right now they're at about $100 a barrel. >> we want the price between $70 and $80, not only to help the west, but to help ourselves. we don't want to west to go and find alternatives, because the more higher the price of oil goes, the more they have an incentive to go and find an alternative. so our interests coincide with the west's. >> really, prince al waleed wants us to continue to be lo locked in as a customer, to be hooked on oil. we go to saudi arabia for a huge chunk of our oil, 100 barrels a month. remember, we were in this exact position a few years ago, so the sticker shock really isn't as strong the second time around, but if prices wind up getting up into the $130 or $140 range and stay there for a while, americans will start making adjustments and that will affect saudi arabia's economy and the exports of other nations. >> but the bigger question

guest: as in most things in saudi arabia, things are opaque. ere are members of his family that still support him. he was at daggers drawn with the saudis. he they have cracked down on his organization. they probably should be prepared for violence in their country as a result of osama bin laden being killed. his followers will want to take revenge not only against -- against u.s. and foreign presence on the arabian peninsula. host: is that separate from the protest we are seeing in these countries in the middle east? guest: it will be separate in saudi arabia. most process or local. in saudi arabia, the government is not like very much. -- most protests are local. one of the thing that make u saddamn-islamic -- one of th-- what impact you think this will have on the situation in libya? providinglibya, we're air support for people who osama bin laden fought bin against the soviets. that is a mixed situation. in egypt, we see the islamists have a desire to gain power there. his death will be applauded by many to satisfy the west. the cyrillic or

bin laden was born into one of the wealthiest families in saudi arabia. his activities began after he graduated from college. bin laden left saudi arabia to join the afghan resistance where he became a top guerrilla leader. he opposed the alliance between the united states and saudi arabia and began trading his forced to carry out attacks and gaining the u.s. military out of foreign lands. >> reaction. among those first response was dutch ruppersberger. 11 news spoke with him about what this means to future terrorist. >> we have been advised, a few of us, that the was a possibility of being able to target osama bin laden. but the intelligence had to be gotten and i have been on the intelligence committee for a long time. we have gotten many leads but none of them have been destroyed. bin laden would never communicate other than -- if you want to kill a snake, you cut its health-care it was important for us that we proved that we did get osama bin laden. this puts us in a very unique position throughout the world. and also a good position against the terro

my joke all week, with friends like saudi arabia, who needs pakistan? how does the president play that, because he has such momentum and such leadership. but that question is going to be asked in the white house press room next week. that question is going to be asked on this show next week. that question is going to be asked in the newspapers next week. it's unclear how that's going to play out. >> the president is all about unity. this is an incredible moment of unity bringing the country together as he's been noting in no way since 9/11. we all feel proud as americans and unified and together as one. next week we break down to the more political global issues of pakistan, how could you have not known? the guy is in the gigantic billion dollar place, eight times larger than any other place around, burning trash. no telephone or internet -- >> basically he's living under military protection. he's basically living inside the surveillance of the pakistani military. >> i'm sorry, i'm wondering what is the diplomatic conversation between the americans look

the woman arrested in saudi arabia for driving her car, in defiance of a ban on women drivers. she has been told she will have to spend another 10 days in prison. many in the kingdom believe it is unacceptable for and to drive. the woman was arrested after posting a video on the internet. her lawyer -- the lawyer said investigators need more time. the british government have told all other nationals to leave him and immediately as fighting escalates between the government and rebel forces. a full-scale civil war seems likely. presidents l.a. -- saleh has said he will not step down from power. we report on the latest developments. >> yemen is sliding toward open warfare. these are anti-government forces in the capital today. dozens of people have been killed or wounded this week. presidential forces battled their opponents. tonight, the foreign office said it is pulling out all inessential staff. it has warned britons in yemen to get out while they can. washington, once a staunch ally of yemen's president, is not telling him it is time to go. >> weakened -- is now telling him it