they were actually warren jeff's nephew, and he had abused them, raped, and sodomized them from the time they were between the ages of 5 and 7 years old, and that experience to me is what really turned the tides for me. that was the experience that kind of lit a fire under me, and i thought, you know, somebody's got to do something about this. the word has to get out about it, and that was a lot of my motivation for doing the book, and for pursuing this with such vigor just to get the word out so that people know that there is something just horrible caliber that's going on in our country. >> sam browers, is there any issue of freedom of religion here? >> you know, the freedom of religion issue is an issue only with the fbls. in reality, the freedom of religion is their wild card. what they do has nothing to do with religion unless -- it's okay for religions to molest children, unless it's okay for a prophet to take a little 12-year-old girl by the hand and take her into a temple and perform a ritual lissic rape on her. in my mind, that's not religion. that's criminal behavior. the harde