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it was an interesting transition with us at to simon & schuster like bob woodward or other superstar authors mary higgins clark who was succeeding both hardcover and paperback and jackie collins and to inherit a legacy to apply a massmarket techniques but shortly after i started i became in charge when they were under one management and that is when what is called career development start and author on paperback been billed the audience then when they were a lot -- large enough then we would published in hardcover and we were building an audience for the author at the same time the author was perfecting their writing style and talent. it was a happy time and a good time and a thrilling time for us. >> host: you mention the transition going into paperback now people start to do electronic books. >> it is interesting to me fortunately or unfortunately sitting on the sidelines while the transition plays out but it is my choice but what i observe is great similarities between how the paperback evolves in the '60s and '70s and changed the business. and i think electronic publishing will d

. >> reporter: abc's diane sawyer asked bob woodward, author of "obama's wars" about the atmosphere at the time. the meetings. obama felt -- you're writing in a general way, too, but obama felt disrespected and trapped and at different times he felt that the military was maneuvering around him. did they think they could take a young president? >> some of them might have thought that. so the president, who is supposed to be the decider, who is supposed to have choice, and you've got these blocks of granite out there saying, oh, no, you really don't have a choice, this is the way to do it. and he was not happy. >> reporter: do you think there has been a transformation of sorts with the president since that time? >> he's grown in the sense that, you know, the more you make these decisions, the more you deal with military commanders, the more you feel the weight of the oval office. you grow. as a result, he feels comfortable and confident that he's making the right decisions. >> reporter: while tonight's decision about troops may have been easier, the timing of it couldn't be more critical

guest: they did and bob woodward today is an associate at "the washington post." carl bernstein is that "vanity fair." there was a time when journalism was very adversarial to the white house. i would have to say that not too long after watergate, by the time i was in the white house, i was surprised at how tame it was. you are on the white house press corps and you are covering the president. if the president and his step don't give you access, you are dead. you will not function well as a journalist and restores will not be printed and will pull you off the beach. host: carl bernstein and bob woodward were not technically white house reporters. guest: that's right and that may have been part of the reason why they got the green light and went further. if i am a reporter assigned to the white house, access is everything. "the washington post" had a reporter who was a great writer. he would read his opening paragraph and they were classic eloquent. he was soon pulled off the beach because he broke the story of where the next gorbachev-bush summit would take place.

bob woodward, i realized how dogged he was, but thoughtful. those two are not mutually exclusive. >> this is from december 31, 2010. if you listen closely, there are numbers that are hard to believe when it comes to the number of cell phones that are in jails. >> pierre thomas has to present to find out what happens when using a cell phone turns deadly. >> these are self funds taken from inmates in the south carolina state prison by captain robert johnson and his contraband squad. >> we will go in and search the inmates, search their living in areas, search their work areas. >> capt. john's search turns up so phones in every place imaginable. he sees some shot over the fence in homemade bazookas and sent in footballs. captain johnson does such a good job that it almost got him killed. >> he called an >> in it and set up a hit on my cell phone. >> the hit man came to murder johnson on a cold march morning. >> he kicked the door in and yelled police. he shot six times up in the chest. i guess the lord said that disguises to ornery to die. i will

it was very well here everybody but everybody is a bob woodward album and you can use what's going through a poor example the bombing of radio television serbia in belgrade on the twenty third of ninety ninety nine now sixty people died as a result of good one being which happened to us blame the tribunal never actually did anyone at all without. some other news stories making headlines around the world to sell. the colombian president says a top insurgent commander has been captured across the border and as we know since they are the most senior. captured since two thousand and four states said previously offered a two point five million dollars reward for its capture of his arrest comes and improving relations between the neighboring south american countries. or people are reported dead after at least two tornadoes swept through parts of the u.s. state and i suggest it's and sisters have caused extensive damage in the state of emergency has been declared by the governor thousands of. city and the region has requested help of national guard. it's an extremely dangerous business but it doe

in an interview last year with journalist bob woodward where president obama perhaps without realizing its application to himself so. war is fell and once the dogs were on leashed you don't know where it's going to lead and tragically right now our congress in a republican led effort but with very little resistance from democrats is doing everything it can to prevent the dogs of war. well unfortunately that is it for the big picture for more info on the stories that we covered please visit our website at thom hartmann dot com. it's also catch the poll show on our you tube page at youtube dot com slash the big picture our t. and thom hartmann see you tube channel at youtube dot com slash tom hartman first the entire show is also available as a free podcast you can be driving to work listening to talk at first tom always says democracy begins with you get out there get after and tag you're it. if. you. didn't take three. three. three. three stooges three. and three blown live video for your media project really.

as a president who really stands up to the pentagon as you were saying i mean we saw that with bob woodward's book on the initial surge. in this one and obviously we see this with the pentagon they say they want twenty thousand troops and really don't want a different number so there's gamesmanship going on and i think all sides agree with that you know i mean what happened here clearly was he chose the middle option that was presented to him by patris and wishing stream option but the option betray us would love to have he didn't really expect to get that was sort of a very nice negotiating ploy and carrot right before we took out of obama's words there one of the things that he said he was talking about this drawdown coming from a position of strength and you know we keep hearing these words position of strength substantial progress at the same time and twenty eleven as is poised to become the deadliest year in terms of civilian casualties for the afghans cars i am any critics said not to have any credibility whatsoever what's your assessment are we really in a position of strength and i th

legislative branch of government as far as like let's talk about that president because you know when bob woodward's wars book obama's. came out and certainly have this great insight into how it was that we came to this decision or the obama administration came to the decision to send the initial troop surge of those thirty three thousand troops and it seemed like he was really getting strong armed by those around him by general petraeus and the like this time it's being reported that he went with joe biden's plan when it came to you know the timetable on the numbers and he's going to give us instead of what the pentagon and the betray us wanted which is that of course they want us to be as a small and as minuscule as possible does that mean he's learning i'm not sure you're right in characterizing the pentagon and wanting this to be small and miniscule well the pentagon did say that they think a troop surge should stay until the end of twenty two months ok ryan does this great giant building over. there are people of the pentagon where they would love to shut down our federal state and of our morni

i have great respect for you, probably after bob woodward and carl. let me show you something that is far more trouble for the congressman from brooklyn than what we just showed you. just last week, that las vegas woman, the black jack dealer wrote him on e-mail again here, twitter i guess. u, with a you, just the letter, owe me big time keeping this quiet. i'm defending you, again with the letter you, on the blog and to everyone. everyone you never ever -- let me get this right, telling everyone you would never send dirty messages to women. i know you haven't been on here since you were hacked but i need to talk to you. someone contacted me about you. call me or something. here is somebody who has heard about another kind of communication, gross kind of communication. i don't know what this stuff is about. but it looks like he said the other day in that pros conference that went on forever and we will talk about the things he opened up there, a half dozen. maybe that's a minimum notion of the number. but he carries on these relationships. he is marri

with us at simon & schuster, people like bob woodward were superstar authors. we had mary higgins clark who was succeeding in both paperback and hard cover. we had jackie collins who was a superstar at the time. we had, you know, i sort of inherited a legacy of simon & schuster authors then that by applying mass market techniques we were able to take to new levels. shortly after i started, i became in charge of the whole what we call consumer publishing groups, so simon & schuster and pocketbooks were under one management. and that's when we were really able to sort of what we called career development. we would start an author out in paperback, build an audience at a point where the paperback audience was large enough, we would then -- [inaudible] we were building an audience for the author, and at the same time the author was perfecting their writing style and talent. it was a happy time, it was a good time, and it was a fairly easy time for us. >> so you mentioned the whole, i guess, transition, you know, going into paperback books. now people are starting t