i was reading that to produce a basic level on dbe's was 18.5%, the actual commitment is only 13%. >> the 18.5% as our goal for the next three years. even though for the first six months of this three years, we are at 13%, the 18.5% was based on a contract we expect to award over three years. >> is there anything you are doing to ensure that we will eventually reach that level? >> we monitor that very closely. we have pre-bids before all of our packages go out, and we are working with business development inc., a dbe and sbe consultant based out in the bayview, for the package that was just released last week. there's a mandatory pre bit where they have to come and spend both an afternoon and a morning at tjpa offices. >> last, because i could not find it, what was the goal for sbe? >> we do not set a program-wide gold. the program is really just a tjpa program to try to supplement our dbe efforts. >> i would like to ask steve from turner construction to give an update on our construction progress. >> good morning, directors. construction management oversight. there we go. as of the s

>> this is an area, as you know, that i have great concerns about, awarding contracts to s be, dbe's. i want to know the participation with tjpa with webcor/obayashi when these contracts are being selected. are they 100% making sure? i would not want to see webcor/obayashi b just a team maker. >> no, we are partisan bidding with them in the pre qualification process, the receipt of bids, review of bid documentation. all of that is done with tjpa staff and webcor/obayashi staff in conjunction. >> the second question is, is there tension that exists, when we are dealing with small business, dbe's, big sbe's vs. small sbe's, and whether, the competition between the two of them and whether we make it available to small sbe's to be able to compete for these jobs. >> we do recognize multiple listings of sbes. the first is the city of san francisco small business listing as well as the state of california mgsa small business listings. they have different thresholds, the san francisco threshold being the lowest for what constitutes a small business, but it is open to all of those three catego