jack garrity is with the asian society. jack, would you like to say a few words? >> good morning, everybody. we're pleased to have this debate, and basically as state mentioned, it all came out of the launch of this report with the asian society and kissinger institute written by dan and his colleague, pelo. we came out with this last may, last month, and we have some copies of the report. it's -- you can find it also on line. you can download it at the asian society web site. welby shell, who was one of the big movers of this report, unfortunately can't be here today, but he wishes he would. what happened, when we launched the report afterwards, dan and pelo were up here with state, and derrick was sitting off to the left. and, you know, derrick has also done a lot of work on foreign -- chinese foreign investment, and he was kind of chomping at the bit. he got one question in, but that wasn't enough. so when dan and i were walking out, i get this sms and it's from derrick. he says, how about a debate between dan and i? and i turned to dan and i said, what do you