they did it through isi, so isi's role greatly increased. its sized greatly increased, and it's function greatly increased during that period, and not solely because the action of the soviet union, but i would say that's a major factor so ironically as we contemplate years later all the conflicts between ourselves and isi, you know, it's important to keep in mind that their origins are very much mixed up with our foreign policy. you know, from their beginnings. there's a question that's been raised is the isi intelligence competitive with us or cooperative? well, i would say it's both in my mind because as we, you know, the whole world is asking how could they not know about bin laden in abbottabad? how is it possible isi didn't know? most people conclude, well, they did know. most suggests they are not cooperationive, however, we should not suggest the fact that many other al-qaeda theaters and operatives were captured or killed in pakistan with isi's assistance. well, they have been providing assistance, and one explanation of this competi

not only as was mentioned as the military town with lots of military and isi installation, isi in general watches people, it watches diplomats, journalists, it watches political figures, it watches foreigners and pakistanis. as many in this country said it simply defies logic to say that nobody with the power to help maintain this compound knew about it, but the question is who knew and how heidegger within that organization? a few weeks after bin laden's death, marc grossman, the special representative for afghanistan and pakistan and mike morrill, the deputy cia director traveled to islamabad to speak to the general and the civilian leadership. they were given lots of complaints as u.s. officials always are about the u.s. level of cooperation saying essentially that you americans are always telling us you know where these bad people are, but you never give us the proof of it and you never tell us where you know they are so how do you expect us to find them so grossman and morrell said they were prepared to open a new level of cooperation and intelligence sharing with the pakistanis, and

is this the army and isi?here are no representatives of the people to determine the policy, whether it is terrorism or with respect to india and the united states. the question is whether it is constitutional within the pakistani law for either side to determine pakistan's foreign policy. if it is not, what does that make isi? and the pakistani people, if they are looking for people responsible for the state in pakistan, where it has enemies within and without, if this is the result of the foreign policy, who is responsible? who is in control and whether it is constitutional? >> it is a question of decision making. who makes the decisions on policy. >> if i could try. politics a bore is a vacuum. -- abhors a vacuum. when a refuses' responsibility and refuses to direct the military one where the other, then the military steps in and starts making those decisions. in the case of operations in the province, in 2008, there was a joint resolution. at the end of that, the army chief was made council. he was given fu

but little attention was paid to the behavior of isis' mother, who had said at the trial that isis wasuffering from a cold when she dropped her off at the lopez home. dr. vas also testified that, in the months before isis died, she had come to rely on the lopez family to help take care of her children. >> i won't even say "baby-sit," because they were basically living with us. when she would bring the children to the house, 99% of the times, they were in diapers, and we had to clothe them. >> thompson: so the doctor would bring over her children for you guys to baby-sit, and she wouldn't bring clothes for them, is that what you're telling me? >> yes, sir. did i feel like it was odd? yes, i did. >> thompson: the lopezes were not the first people to take care of the children. lorrie word was dr. vas's live-in nanny at this home for nearly a year. in a 2006 affidavit, word said she feared that veronica vas put the children at risk. and she said the doctor drank heavily while pregnant with isis. >> well, the day that she went into labor, veronica and her friend had cracked open a bottle of

i had them on the kitchen table, and i had isis in her swing. she had her bottle but she wasn't eating it. so i got her out of the swing, and i went to go put her in the crib. and i went to the kitchen. i left her in the crib, and when i went back in there, i noticed that isis-- she was limp. she was just there, and her lips were blue. >> is she breathing right now? >> okay, i need you to keep doing cpr. >> thompson: ernie lopez' mother, rosa lopez, lived across the street. >> we started hearing sirens. that sticks in my mind, you know, that that was the beginning of the nightmare-- the sirens, the fire trucks, and then later on, the ambulance. ( sirens wailing ) >> i hit her on her thigh, on her leg, trying to get her attention. and i shook her a little bit. i jiggled her a little bit. i put my ear to her chest, and i heard her heart, just beating, just racing. >> thompson: ernie's brother eddie was called in. >> my mom came over, talked to me, and told me, "hey, could you go up to the hospital?" and i said, okay, so i drove on to the hospital.

so, isi knows they are doing it, and isi is happy they are doing it because, through them, pakistan promotes her policy of afghanistan. and the policy is "taliban are ours, and they are to dominate afghanistan." >> smith: and we're going to help those who help them? >> yes. >> smith: by protecting them? >> yes. >> smith: and not arresting them? for example, one militant alleged to be close to the isi is a known leader in the haqqani network. according to us intelligence, tajmir jawad is responsible for several major attacks on targets inabul >> more than a dozen times, after we found out this particular operation was carried out with blessings of tajmir, we told isi, "this guy is not hiding in mountains. he is either in peshawar or he is in this specific building with this telephone number." they never arrested tajmir because tajmir is their man. >> grey: both american and afghan counterterrorism officials told us about one senior taliban haqqani leader. he's called tajmir jawad, and they say they have constantly told pakistan's military agencies about this man, but still he appears to be li

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are cooperating but the cia is running effectively covert ops with the isi and the isi is allowing theps to attack and infill rate the cia and that spider's web seems very well. >> that is drawn from life. the truth is these intelligence services operate against each other. that happens more in real life not just with pakistan. we have a complicated intelligence relationship with france. we have a complicated intelligence relationship with other allies, but there's a way in which the cia and isi both absolutely need each other, and absolutely don't trust each other, and it's been a particularly volatile combination, because they're always marching in tandem. imagine the situation where one guy is sort of tripping the other, nudging him or up to some kind of horseplay. that's what it's like and i used to think that these two should get a marriage counselor and figure it out. i've given up on that. the reality is intelligence services lie. that's what their job is. these guys will keep lying to each other. they need political control to get them going in the same direction for the nation

the isi is above all a paramilitary organization.do all that much collection of intelligence. it's not a very good spy agency, but it's good at running covert action. >> the general framework of the book is that the cia and the isi are cooperating. but the cia is running effectively against the isi. and the isi is at least allowing these jihadi groups to attack and infiltrate the cia. and that spider web seems very real. >> that is drawn from life. i mean, the truth is that these intelligence services operate against each other. that happens more in real life, not just with pakistan. we have a complicated intelligence relationship with france. we have a complicated intelligence relationship with other allies. but there's a way in which the cia and isi both absolutely need each other and absolutely don't trust each other. and it's been a particularly volatile combination because they're always marching in tandem, which you can imagine a situation where one guy is trying to trip the other, nudging him or up to some kind of horseplay. t

>> well, the isi guards its secrets extrely jealously and not just the isi but the military itself takesreat umbrage when some of its internal information leaks out into the media, and there's been a lot of that going on, particularly in the recent years as he was saying, there's been a tremendous out growth of the broadcast media, in particular as well as the print media that are competing for space in pakistan. so they try to get to the source of 95 leaks. now, it's quite possible that this may have been behind this murder. it's ao possible that some of the al qaeda elements may have been behind this. we d't know. the prime minister says he has ordered an inquiry. but such inquiries witn pakistan have never reallyieded any results. there is a long tradition of burying the tru in the fis and forgetting about them. >> are reporters in pakistan who ar writing about sensitive subjects livingn a certain fear that somehow, someone in the government, whether the leadership of the government knows or not, might come down on them? >> absolutely. and not just the government but from certain poli

kashmir and doing the dirty work of the isi. in recent years is a lot of groups have bitten them in the you know what. a lot of those groups carry outerorout terror attacks. the isi is a mysterious group. the government doesn't know what they're doing half the time. that's a criticism. it's like the cia running around and doing all sorts of things, and the government not finding out what it was doing. very suspicious group. you had osama bin laden living, you know, a two-minute drive from a military installation in an area controlled by or has links with this militant group. >> last thing, are we getting any response to this isi reporting from the isa or pakistani government? >> they're denying it. the group is denying it. they say we didn't have contact with him. they did have contact with al qaeda over the years. they set up joint training camps and had a lot of links, and osama bin laden knew the leader of this group. they had no contact with osama bin laden in recent years. you take that with a grain of salt. >> michael hoem

when he acquired several hours of video, he handed it over both to lashka his isi handlers.his follows hot on the heels on the u.s. discovery of osama bin laden hiding in plain sight, as it were, just a few miles from the pakistani capital islamabad. >> are the disappointed on the not guilty verdict? >> they are disappointed in that he was acquitted of the most serious charge, which is direct involvement in the mumbai attacks. nevertheless, he is expected to face a very stiff sentence and a date is yet to be set for that hearing. >> the man picked by president obama to become the next u.s. defense secretary says he may ask washington to maintain a troop presence next year. leon panetta did not say how many of the troops stationed there would be a bald. newt gingrich had all of his members of senior campaign staff resigned. mr. gingrich's a former senior of the house -- a former speaker of the house of representatives. in pakistan, they have ordered an inquiry into the killing of a young man by paramilitary. it took place in karachi, was caught on camera, and the image is bei

they don't know the motivation behind these arrests of the isi.ct that even domestically here there's mistrust for an institution. the pakistani military, the powerful institution. there's mistrust for that. and that's been unprecedented. >> fran, though, just from an operational standpoint, it doesn't send a good message to those in the future who might be thinking about working with u.s. intelligence in a country to hear that somebody who rented an apartment for a cia operatives or who was taking down license plates for folks going in and out of bin laden's compound can be arrested and nothing be done to help them. >> reporter: well, that's right, anderson. if it is true that nothing can be done to help them. let's be honest. the thing that makes this the most difficult now is not only that these are pakistani citizens but the fact that it is now public. this is the sort of issue that is best handled out of the public eye. and so what you hope for is they're able to speak behind the scenes -- if there are people who cooperated and helped the u.s

you have this linkage between harakah-ul-mujahedeen, al qaeda and the isi.o what degree can they piece those communications together to hoe definitively? they're not a smoking gun yet. to show definitively that some members of isi were aware of bin laden's presence. it does defy logic and common sense to think there weren't some people, not necessarily the top levels, but some people within the organization that new. >> with the connection with harakah-ul-mujahedeen to isi and al qaeda, why are we even talking about in? shouldn't we know these details from this clandestine raid in pakistan? >> you just touched on it. very important point, and certainly it from someone who habbs been in operations it's disappointing when a piece of information like this comes out. it points to the facts we have government officials under secrecy agreement who can't help but open their appiyap and talk about. once we went to this compound in abbottabad. we shouldn't talk about the treasure trove of details, but that was an issue right off the bat. from an operational point of

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their security service, the isi has close ties to former and current jihadists. they helped fund and start the taliban to fight the russians back in afghanistan. they funded and started l.e.t., the people who did the mumbai attacks in india. as a counterweight to indian power. all those groups have connections to each other. the experts believe that they would be -- and they are inclined to plan operations against the west, both at home and abroad. so the question becomes then, how vulnerable is the pakistani arsenal? how might someone get a nuclear bomb? well, there's several ways. you can have a rogue officer taking over a facility. you could have the clan desti d destined -- clandestined powers. or you could have my scenario where a a bomb in transit from its secured facility to the front lines in a nuclear alert to india is stolen because that's where it's most vulnerable. so anyhow, you have a combination of weapons. a country which is hostile, a security service which has ties to jihadists and a lot of jihadists have been indoned by the establishment milita

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but our relationship with the pakistans with the isi with the government.rom all right, to testy to dysfunctional. we have to remember, we conducted an operational unilateral operation on their turf for perfectly good reason with obviously terrific outcome. but if you reverse this. and you say what if a foreign nation carried out that same type of operation on our turf. i guarantee you, we would do the same thing, we would try to identify if local citizens had supported that foreign nation in carrying out that aid. >> sure. it's humiliating. and secretary gates kind of described it recently as a bad marriage. we mentioned that the isi probably hopes to get information about the raids specifically. but don't you think they're also talking to these guys trying to get information about covert operations on behalf of the cia or other american forces in their country? >> right. that's where they're eventually going to run up against a brick wall. >> you think so? >> in all honesty, well, i think what will happen is, anytime you're operating in a foreign country,

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say that now but i just haven't seen anything that would lead me to believe, any evidence that the isi knew about it, that the military knew about it. who would be the two principals. >> charlie: even though it was near the military base and even though it stood out as a building? >> i mean i understand what you're saying. i get logic that follows from how could this happen. i'm just saying i haven't seen any evidence to confirm that. >> charlie: what's your answer to the question how could this happen? >> well his, i mean he clearly was hiding in plain site and had been doing that for five years. >> charlie: i ente viewed rmer president musharraf last week and he said to me i see no evidence he was there for five years. of course he was there but with a do we need he was there for five years. >> i don't know. >> charlie: all right. so today, what have we learned from what w found there about al-qaeda? >> well when we went in, certainly he's been the number one target for us for a long time. but when we went in, the status of al-qaeda has be significantly damaged over the course of the

the isi has used the war in afghanistan for its own purposes. isi being the military intelligence element which is not complete under the control of the government, one would say. the government, the civilian government is weakened and pretty corrupt. and pakistan has for the fastest publishing growth rates in the world. and also one of the fastest widening gaps between rich and poor in the world. and it's a nuclear state, nuclear power. so, we have a very strong interest in it not being destabilized, and not becoming a fundamental state. if you think that's impossible, you need to look back at history at general halleck who was a fundamentalist and he didn't have nuclear weapons. he mysteriously died in an airplane crash along with the u.n. ambassador. but they have a history of having a fundamentalist in charge of that country. and it would be a different world indeed if they take over the nuclear weapons supply. and they're very suspicious, as what we're really focused on and that we intend to take those nuclear weapons away from them. so thi

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you have retired military in the community surrounding the compound, and you have isi agencies in the area as well. this is not in normal house. it was a large compound, very heavily fortified, very suspicious looking and a very sort of military area. it leads me to the question or the relationship but pakistan where do we go from here because in my judgment it's hard for anybody to believe they didn't know he was there and the question is what little did the pakistan government know about this? i believe either the are complicity or they are incompetent. either composite with providing material support to the most wanted terrorist by providing him a safe haven or confidence in not knowing he was there. so with that, let me throw that question now first to do in terms of what is your assessment of this picture? and how does this affect the and and that our relationship with a very dicey pakistan who has been known to proliferate nuclear weapons? >> thank you, mr. chairman. first i would associate myself with your observations and analysis. i think you described well. the circumstantia

he was hiding in the heartland of pakistan probably protected by the isi. everything but that last statement is now a fact. he was right about pakistan. >> i think if they made -- if i might turn to afghanistan, that is not just the issue. it is 2015. cars die as either change the constitution, or he is gone. no one has emerged under karzei as a strong, confident leader. any of us who have met some of the other would-be afghan leaders have good reason to be cautious about what comes next. who in the south has what political status? house separate are they? how is the network fitted into the taliban generally? is the threat still real? is omoaar still alive? how much of the central government has evolved in a positive direction? a lot of polls indicate that basically it has not improved in popularity as a result of the new strategy nationally. it just in the areas where we now provided added security in the south and kandahar. what is the status of the northern groups in afghanistan? having had two failed elections, won for president and one for parliament,

these doubts were personified in 2008 in one man: then-director general of the isi.it's worth noting that his previous appointment before he was given director generalship of the isi in september of 2007 was commandant of the kabul military academy in pakistan. curious coincidence we can talk about more in questions and answers. but during his short 11-month ten your as director general of the isi, the united states found him doing two things. one, blowing up the indian embassy in kabul, and we had their hands all over it, and, two, telling every target of our drone strikes in 2007 and '8, in 2007 and 2008, that the americans are coming, you'd better get out of the way. talk about duplicity being caught, we caught this one. he was promoted to be a corps commander in the pakistani military. and, of course, the third event that led to the downturn in u.s. relations in the 2008 was the mumbai terrorist operation. i think the obama administration deserves credit for coming in with it eyes wide open. i think it deserves credit for trying to reset u.s.-pakistani relations,

the isi has rounded up a handful of people who helped the cia find osama bin laden. just about 90 miles from here. among those rounded up include a doctor who was an active duty major in the pakistani military and that is deeply embarrassing that one of the military members here for the military was working for the cia. now, the army says it denies that story and says no major has been picked up. another person who has been picked up is the owner of the safe house that the cia used to spy on bin laden. that safe house according to a pakistani intelligence official only a few hundred yards away from bin laden's compound. now, the cia and isi have viewed each other with a lot of mistrust since the raid happened and this will only increase that mistrust and increase the feeling that the cia and isi aren't working together toward the same goal. george? >> that's right, nick. last week a u.s. official was asked are the pakistanis cooperating, one to ten, he said only three cooperate in the fight against terrorism. in that raid it turned up evidence he wanted to attack tra

the glaring question why is the isi going after cia inform aebts if indeed the isi was on board in u.s. efforts to go after bin laden. you think they praise these men, not arrest them. the fact they arrest them suggests they may not have been happy with what they did. it's too early to tell what they plan to do with these men. but, again, they fuel the big question that never seems to go away. is pakistan washington's friend or do they, at times, deceive the u.s. by playing a double game. >> reza, let's talk about that. what do you think this means for u.s.-pakistani relations. it's deteriorated quite a bit. are they telling you on the pakistani side that the cooperation is over? we'll do what we want to do here? >> well, the rhetoric on record is positive. but it doesn't square with what's happening on the ground. the fact is, this relationship is at a low point. there's deep mistrust. friction and all sorts of finger pointing. last weekend, head of the cia, leon panetta came in here reportedly with evidence that the colluding with militants. we can go on and on and on. the bottom lin

why is the cia going after these informants for the cia and if indeed the isi was onboard with u.s.fforts to go after bin laden? you would think they would be praising the informants and fact they are arresting them suggest they are not happy with what they did. if that's the case, john, it further clouds that question that doesn't seem to be going away. is pakistan a friend of the u.s.? is it an ally? or is it at times deceiving the united states and with a double game? >> it begs the question that we know pakistani governments are not happy the united states conducted the raid without telling them. begs the question could this be payback? >> reporter: yes. it is no secret the pakistani security establishment has been seething from the bin laden raid to the fact they came in, navy s.e.a.l.s, took unilateral action on pakistany soil, an embarrassment for the pakistani security establishment. they faced unprecedented pressure here at home. that's why some view this action as the pakistani security establishment standing up against the u.s., hitting back, and even if it means it is un

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. >> sorry this a smoking gun linking bin laden to the isi. >> six degrees of sprague with the separationtting closer. these militant groups that al qaeda, the courier was in touch with had the sponsorship. >> cnn security analyst said he was supported by pakistani intelligence because it helped pakistan fight forces in kashmir and afghanistan. they have long standing ties to al qaeda and experts say the people who murdered "wall street journal" reporter daniel pearl have connections to the group. the times said in tracing the calls on courier's phone, analysts determine that members of the group had called pakistani intelligence officials. house intelligence committee mike rogers won't comment on the report, but believes elements assisted bin laden at some point. >> what are level of help do you believe they gave? >> think there was logistical support that had to happen by former members of the military or current members. there was logistical assistance >> we couldn't get officials to comment on the times report. contacted by cnn, a counter terrorism official could not confirm he was as

why is the isi arresting informants for the cia when they were supposed to be on board with u.s.fforts to go after bin laden? we caution we don't have a lot of details but, if, indeed, these men are in trouble, it further clouds that big pressing question that never goes away. is pakistan a u.s. friend or, at times, do they deceive the u.s. by playing a double game. >> increases the tension between the u.s. and pakistan. reza, thanks. >>> a battle is brewing over presidential powers in labia. house speaker john boehner says the white house needs to explain this costly mission to congress. cnn's brianna keilar is joining us to talk more about this. the whole thing could come to a head today, right? >> reporter: it could be the white house is set to essentially defend u.s. military involvement in libya to congress. the white house saying this will probably happen today. congress, of course, and we are talking democrats and republicans, have had a lot of questions about the u.s. military involvement in libya. some of the questions we expect to be answered today, why the president ha

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some lawmakers continue to insist they believe the pakistani government or the isi or both knew about the whereabouts about bin laden. lawmakers and other critics question whether the u.s. should continue to give pakistan $2 billion a year in military aid. joining us now for more on this christine fare with georgetown university center for peace and security studies. thank you for coming on. what do you make of the arrest of the cia informants? >> it just underscores how divergent the priorities are of the americans and the pakistanis. the pakistanis found it to be a higher priority to go after and arrest the people who facilitated the capture of bin laden rather than it would seem prioritizing those that enabled bin laden's stay in pakistan for so long, it does illustrate the day vur junt they both have. this is all appearance. we don't know what they are or are not doing with trying to figure out who helped bin laden stay in the country. it's pakistan's sovereign duty who is it to help facilitate operations on behalf of a foreign intelligent agency. this is important when one consid

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the group known as harakat ul mujahadin was a longstanding asset of isi, pakistan's intelligence service, which allowed it to operate in the country for 20 years. by tracing calls made on the phone, u.s. intelligence analysts determined the group spoke often to and may have even met with pakistani officials. if true the report would draw the clearest link yet between bin laden and the pakistani government. the question of pakistan's complicity in hiding the al qaeda leader has hung over washington and islamabad since the may 2nd navy s.e.a.l. raid that took out bin laden. the relationship was complex before the raid and has become extremely tense ever since. u.s. officials say that it is not clear they helped hide bin laden but it has given them new leads in the ongoing investigation. >>> no other news, a major earthquake struck overnight near alaska. the magnitude 7.2 quake was centered 120 miles off of the remote aleutian islands. a tsunami warning sent people scrambling for high ground in dutch harbor but has been canceled. no reports of injury or damage. >>> to north dakota where the

in the long run, it is a good thing for pakistan, in my judgment, to have the army and isi brought under greater civilian control, be more subject to criticism from the public, parliament, and those are good things. we should keep that in mind as we watch this criticism. ideally, the civilian government would take this moment when the public is unhappy about the military's performance, to assert greater civilian control and behave in the way modern government would. >> going to leave it there. david ignatius, thank you very much indeed. in other news, more than 2000 as traders tried to blockade the catalan parliament in a display of anger at regional budget cuts. police used helicopters to get a number of politicians into the building in the spanish city of barcelona after the building was surrounded by demonstrators feared protectors are angry at planned cuts in health and education. today, congresswoman giffords was released five months after being shot in the head during a murderous rampage in which six people were killed. she has been undergoing rehabilitation and will now look to he

they're almost the official government salaries is the question if isi would not be involved in iraq it. it is understood as a criminal enterprise but it is important to realize the ambiguity and the nature of the haven bin laden found is not by itself unusual. from india's perspective there are 546 listed terrorists living in the country under circumstances sometimes there fugitives are difficult to find but many heavy their embedded two or have been charged with mass killings on indian soil. the pattern is a look at rages to the united states but but circumstance by themselves are not unusual but would this by way of challenging? it is a useful wake-up call. the fundamental problem is but five partner or buy phone, is difficult to hold accountable by halting direct those questions. >> but this is an opportunity to work with the effective group that the united states and pakistan to not see that mcorp and security questions the same way and to try to hold the military at a greater account although acknowledging the sacrifices they have made with their own war on terror. >> it also c

>> ali, pakistani security officials confirmed to cnn that the isi, pakistan's top spy agencies have arrested several suspected informants for the cia. these are pakistani men who allegedly help the cia, fed it information before the big raid on the bin laden compound last month. "the new york times" is reporting one of these individuals is an army major who, as you mentioned, was apparently writing down license plates of cars going in and out of the compound. one of our sources, a pakistani security official, flatly denies among the men arrested is an army officer. we also know that among the men arrested were men staying at a safe house near the bin laden compound. this was a safe house rented by the cia that served as a lookout for the compound. the details are minimal but when you look at these developments, lots of questions first and foremost, what's the isi, pakistan's top spy agency, doing arresting informants when they're supposed to be on board with efforts to look for bin laden and capture them. you would think they would be applauding these individuals, commending them, n