i meaa, a lot of naked dancing on the desks. [laughter] >> just what mr.ained years ago. >> time goesson, you have to move with he time. >> i hear ya, accept change. >> it's, it's pretty much, it's, i think it's more regularized. i think i would use that word. >> how do you mean? >> well, i think in mrr shawn's era, which was the first -- i don't know how many years that i as there. >> and you got there in '60... &->>>'63, okay. >> and, and you know, it didn't have a table of contents and it had onny one really decision-making editor and that was william shawn to decide whether you're going to do the piece, how long the piece was going to be. >> right. >> whether it was going to run. i think it's almost true now except they have a, a pass at some sort of delegation of authority, but i think it comes...any of those magazinee, as you well know, comes down to what the editor decides. >> right, but, but it has as an institution evolved? >> it has, and i used to say that in shawn's day if a team from the harvard business school or mackenzie and company or somet