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the mou is between two parties. the fbi has told us they will not change the current mou. maybe you can convince them otherwise. >> i would hope the mou could be passed. later on, it would reflect the resolution and allow for deputization, if that is needed. >> that would be fantastic. president mazzucco: further comments? i think it is time to move to public comment. >> comment on item two. >> we will have people lined up to make their comments. due to the volume of the expected comments come a commission is setting the timer at two minutes. >> commissioners, thank you for letting me speak one more time. i would like to say san francisco ain't portland. i don't know what portland can do to mimic san francisco, but i'm a resident of this county. if you look at the blocks and the last mayor selection, 70% of the people in this county did not vote because you worried more about orders that the police are supposed to carry out. the fbi isn't even here to give their point or view. i would like to hear what a federal government has to say whether the local police should enforce
the mou is between two parties. the fbi has told us they will not change the current mou. maybe you can convince them otherwise. >> i would hope the mou could be passed. later on, it would reflect the resolution and allow for deputization, if that is needed. >> that would be fantastic. president mazzucco: further comments? i think it is time to move to public comment. >> comment on item two. >> we will have people lined up to make their comments. due to the volume of the...
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. >> that makes sense and i just want to make sure, first of all whether that mou should come back to us before it is finally signed, and whether or not we want something in their that provides dollar amounts around specific projects. maybe there is a five million- dollar art project, perhaps coming before this commission to be responsible for significant dollars. it seems that, because the positions have been raised, it would be another opportunity for public input before it is finalized. >> great. >> i do not know if that makes -- >> the resolution directs us into investments for public art and gives direction to the general manager to give the work to sign the mou. >> but there is no problem with continuing this item for filing this item? we have been the light plant in getting this discussion to you, so we wanted to make sure that there was an item before you. there is no problem at all with going to hearing and coming back. >> would it be alright to amend the resolution as such where the people involved say that the puc will negotiate and bring back to the commission a memorandum
. >> that makes sense and i just want to make sure, first of all whether that mou should come back to us before it is finally signed, and whether or not we want something in their that provides dollar amounts around specific projects. maybe there is a five million- dollar art project, perhaps coming before this commission to be responsible for significant dollars. it seems that, because the positions have been raised, it would be another opportunity for public input before it is...
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that is is essentially the mou. the tolling agreement was a request that the san mateo county had. our office, from a policy perspective, working with the city attorney's office, felt that making this tolling agreement with san mateo with respect to the local hiring legislation would not put us in a negative position, and it was a matter that san mateo county was quite interested in having. we felt that, from a policy perspective, it would not impact our ability to continue to move the program forward. it there is any questions, happy to answer, and i encourage your support. supervisor mar: thank you. colleagues, seeing no question, let's open this up to public comment. is there anyone from the public who would like to speak? ms. jackson. >> good afternoon. i am asking you to please pass on this, because it has been over a year now, almost two years, that we have worked on at this for local hiring here in san francisco. and there is going to be a meeting at 3:00 here at city hall to talk about giving an update on how the local hiring has been going. and that will be in room 278 wit
that is is essentially the mou. the tolling agreement was a request that the san mateo county had. our office, from a policy perspective, working with the city attorney's office, felt that making this tolling agreement with san mateo with respect to the local hiring legislation would not put us in a negative position, and it was a matter that san mateo county was quite interested in having. we felt that, from a policy perspective, it would not impact our ability to continue to move the program...
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campbell stated, it is to implement the existing provisions of the mou. supervisor mirkarimi: and so, ms. katz, on the question of the $10,000 and us not being able to find that, what would happen? what would be the consequence? >> the supervisor would not take on a department-issued cellular phone. rather he would be at the shelter more frequently to respond to emergency situations, and in which case he would either approve compensatory time in excess of the mou provisions for which he would be paid out, or an assistant supervisor would fill his positions for other duties, and they get paid at time and a half. for some odd reason, the mou that covers the supervisors and assistant supervisors requires that the supervisors get $1 more per page. . they are paid pretty similar. we would ultimately end up incurring greater cost to the department. supervisor mirkarimi: i know this is a negligible amount in the scheme of things. am i hearing from the department head brown that this is something we should correct on the $10,000? >> it would be our desire to have
campbell stated, it is to implement the existing provisions of the mou. supervisor mirkarimi: and so, ms. katz, on the question of the $10,000 and us not being able to find that, what would happen? what would be the consequence? >> the supervisor would not take on a department-issued cellular phone. rather he would be at the shelter more frequently to respond to emergency situations, and in which case he would either approve compensatory time in excess of the mou provisions for which he...
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what the mou does is continue to encourage that under-reporting and communicate that there are communities that have a separate level of protection. what i have learned from my experience in virginia with the movement toward deputizing local law enforcement so they have the ability to enforce federal law is that there is a perforated profound loss of trust. people who need to call 911 will not pick up the phone if they are being abused, it very victim of a violent crime, whatever that crime may be. i would like to support the resolution put forth by the asian law caucus and aclu as a solution that is representing a sensible level of independence and collaboration between local law enforcement and federal law enforcement. thank you. >> good evening. my name is michael and i'm the president of the national lawyers guild in the san francisco bay area. we are a human rights legal organization made up of lawyers and other illegal workers with nearly 1000 members here in the bay and thousands of members across the country. our members know it is important to maintain constitutional protections i
what the mou does is continue to encourage that under-reporting and communicate that there are communities that have a separate level of protection. what i have learned from my experience in virginia with the movement toward deputizing local law enforcement so they have the ability to enforce federal law is that there is a perforated profound loss of trust. people who need to call 911 will not pick up the phone if they are being abused, it very victim of a violent crime, whatever that crime may...
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the mou that is before you pour consideration is essentially expands the definition of -- that is before you act essentially expands the definition of projects to include residents of san mateo county, as well as san francisco residents, for that work. our current program for projects only in san mateo county, a contractor would be able to poll workers from either san francisco or san mateo county to meet the mandatory requirement. that is is essentially the mou. the tolling agreement was a request that the san mateo county had. our office, from a policy perspective, working with the city attorney's office, felt that making this tolling agreement with san mateo with respect to the local hiring legislation would not put us in a negative position, and it was a matter that san mateo county was quite interested in having. we felt that, from a policy perspective, it would not impact our ability to continue to move the program forward. it there is any questions, happy to answer, and i encourage your support. supervisor mar: thank you. colleagues, seeing no question, let's open this up to publi
the mou that is before you pour consideration is essentially expands the definition of -- that is before you act essentially expands the definition of projects to include residents of san mateo county, as well as san francisco residents, for that work. our current program for projects only in san mateo county, a contractor would be able to poll workers from either san francisco or san mateo county to meet the mandatory requirement. that is is essentially the mou. the tolling agreement was a...
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it is a new project to be here asked -- as an mou. i, for one, am very comfortable proceeding to this step, and i am sure we will be joined with lots of notice in do time. and with that, if i could have a motion? commissioner caen: i would like to move. vice president moran: is there a sudden? i will seconded. collins' favor? any opposed? the measure carries. -- all in favor? we need three votes, not a majority but the majority of the commission. commissioner courtney: i would like to move that we carry the item over. vice president moran: we can have a motion to move to continue it. opposed? it carries, said that will be continued to a future meeting. -- so that will be continued. secretary housh: item 12, the discussion possible action to approve the plans and specifications and award water and a prize water system approved a program funded a contract, the calaveras dam replacement project, a joint venture to construct a new earth and rock fill dam to replace existing calaveras dam in alameda county and perform project-related work
it is a new project to be here asked -- as an mou. i, for one, am very comfortable proceeding to this step, and i am sure we will be joined with lots of notice in do time. and with that, if i could have a motion? commissioner caen: i would like to move. vice president moran: is there a sudden? i will seconded. collins' favor? any opposed? the measure carries. -- all in favor? we need three votes, not a majority but the majority of the commission. commissioner courtney: i would like to move that...
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it is a new project to be here asked -- as an mou. i, for one, am very comfortable proceeding to this step, and i am sure we will be joined with lots of notice in do time. and with that, if i could have a motion? commissioner caen: i would like to move. vice president moran: is there a sudden? i will seconded. collins' favor? any opposed? the measure carries. -- all in favor? we need three votes, not a majority but the majority of the commission. commissioner courtney: i would like to move that we carry the item over. vice president moran: we can have a motion to move to continue
it is a new project to be here asked -- as an mou. i, for one, am very comfortable proceeding to this step, and i am sure we will be joined with lots of notice in do time. and with that, if i could have a motion? commissioner caen: i would like to move. vice president moran: is there a sudden? i will seconded. collins' favor? any opposed? the measure carries. -- all in favor? we need three votes, not a majority but the majority of the commission. commissioner courtney: i would like to move that...
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it would be nice to have that kind of a value statement as part of the mou. that is key in this whole process. >> my name is judy. in the program director for community arts and education. i do not have words to say how thrilled i am, on behalf of the arts commission and my program in particular. the program was founded 45 years ago on the premise that there should be art for and by the people who live and work in the communities. we have really tried to abide by that. i would be really honored to perhaps come back and do a presentation on some of the programs we have done thus far. we have a commitment to working locally with a local artists. we only higher san francisco and community-based artists. we focus on children and families. we focus on economic development. i am really speechless and thrilled at the opportunities in front of us to continue our work with the bayview opera house and to continue our work with the local school and to develop relationships with the local business community. i would be delighted to show you what we've done thus far in a
it would be nice to have that kind of a value statement as part of the mou. that is key in this whole process. >> my name is judy. in the program director for community arts and education. i do not have words to say how thrilled i am, on behalf of the arts commission and my program in particular. the program was founded 45 years ago on the premise that there should be art for and by the people who live and work in the communities. we have really tried to abide by that. i would be really...
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a large part of the budget hangs in the balance in terms of where we are with the negotiated mou's. do you have an update on that? >> absolutely. gosset the mayor's budget director. as of yesterday, we have a tentative agreement, which is consistent with the mayor's budget submission. it still has to be ratified by the members of the police officers association, the firefighters' union. however, it is a very significant concession that we have agreed to. it tentatively. and it will keep our budget in balance. there'll be a few administrative changes we will need to make to implement it, but is absolutely manageable. i just want to thank the police officers association, the firefighters' union for their agreement. they stepped up again to provide a significant help to the city to help us balance our budget. i think we just need to be cognizant of the importance of that and what it has done for us to be able to protect services in this budget. supervisor chu: thank you. supervisor wiener: that is really good news. if i could just ask you -- is it -- i know that the 3% raise is going f
a large part of the budget hangs in the balance in terms of where we are with the negotiated mou's. do you have an update on that? >> absolutely. gosset the mayor's budget director. as of yesterday, we have a tentative agreement, which is consistent with the mayor's budget submission. it still has to be ratified by the members of the police officers association, the firefighters' union. however, it is a very significant concession that we have agreed to. it tentatively. and it will keep...
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you for -- mou.item 16 is an assistance agreement for the homeless development initiative and adopting various findings. and item 17 is a resolution approving the public trust exchange agreement between the development authority and the california state lands commission. president chiu: ok, colleagues, today we have before us the final appeal of the proposed treasure island/yerba buena . you all have copies. the procedure that we will proceed with debate, first, we will hear from the appellants who will have up to 15 minutes in total. we will then take public comment from individuals who wish to speak on behalf of the appellants. each speaker will left up to two counts to speak. we will then hear from the planning department who will have up to 15 minutes about the final eir. final the presentation, 50 minutes to present, and then we will hear from individuals who wish to speak on behalf of the parties of interest, the project sponsor. each speaker will have up to two minutes, and then finally, the a
you for -- mou.item 16 is an assistance agreement for the homeless development initiative and adopting various findings. and item 17 is a resolution approving the public trust exchange agreement between the development authority and the california state lands commission. president chiu: ok, colleagues, today we have before us the final appeal of the proposed treasure island/yerba buena . you all have copies. the procedure that we will proceed with debate, first, we will hear from the appellants...
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this is intended to make sure that as we are proving mou's going forward for labor contracts, that we adopt key significant changes, for example in the pension reform package that will be coming before us, that we will be updating the plan to show this differences. the other amendment that i would like to make is on the back of the sheet that i passed out to you. it really is to acknowledge that there could be variance in the future your economic assumptions with the financial plan. again, as the controller's office relate, the revenue projections that we relate -- for example, if we had better than expected revenue -- really does alter and change what our five-year financial outlook looks like. the proposed amendment would really speak to that and said that there could be differences in what we actually see in the future based on what our actual economic situation turns out to be. it is really making sure that there is variability in the economy and what really comes to be and also making sure that we are controlling and capturing potential big changes in the plan. those are the amen
this is intended to make sure that as we are proving mou's going forward for labor contracts, that we adopt key significant changes, for example in the pension reform package that will be coming before us, that we will be updating the plan to show this differences. the other amendment that i would like to make is on the back of the sheet that i passed out to you. it really is to acknowledge that there could be variance in the future your economic assumptions with the financial plan. again, as...
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supervisor chu: chief, thank you for keeping us abreast of the changes on mou. >> thank you very much. supervisor mirkarimi: i know that the department of emergency management has been waiting patiently. let's take them as our last apartment and then we will go on a break. >> madam share, committee members, department of executive emergency management as the director of emergency management, as you know we have been at the health department for 16.5 years. i came into this role in january of this year. i have a wonderful staff and then quickly coming up to speed. i wanted to give you a quick overview of the department. emergency management consists of three divisions. including administration and support staff. serving as an immediate and vital link between the boat -- between the public and facilitating planning coordination between city department residences, businesses, and others for comparing mitigating and responding to emergency disasters. so, really briefly, our emergency services division has four main components. it has emergency management, emergency medical service agencie
supervisor chu: chief, thank you for keeping us abreast of the changes on mou. >> thank you very much. supervisor mirkarimi: i know that the department of emergency management has been waiting patiently. let's take them as our last apartment and then we will go on a break. >> madam share, committee members, department of executive emergency management as the director of emergency management, as you know we have been at the health department for 16.5 years. i came into this role in...
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can you please call item 7 and 8 together on the local hiring mou is san the teddy upcounty and the tolling agreement? >> the memorandum of understanding with san may take no county regarding local hiring for construction contracts. item eight, approving a tolling agreement with san mateo county. supervisor mar: thank you. we have a member of the office of oewd. >> i am from the office of economic and workforce development. thank you for the opportunity to be here today. our office is pleased that after about two months of conversation
can you please call item 7 and 8 together on the local hiring mou is san the teddy upcounty and the tolling agreement? >> the memorandum of understanding with san may take no county regarding local hiring for construction contracts. item eight, approving a tolling agreement with san mateo county. supervisor mar: thank you. we have a member of the office of oewd. >> i am from the office of economic and workforce development. thank you for the opportunity to be here today. our office...
can you please call item 7 and 8 together on the local hiring mou
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three other agencies have already signed the mou, said changing that to be problematic this time, but changing this i do not now. >> there is broader language. caught repairs and contract delivery. president vietor: ok. >> there is nothing. president vietor: i would like to move upset to refer more generically to future supplies. and could i have a second? >> does that have to go to the of the parties? >> no. this and be more clear situation of san francisco a tent -- intent. president vietor: is there a second? the whole transmission issue gets my interest. through my periodic reading of the water supply agreement, every time i read it, i learn something new, and one of the things i was looking at is the up the wholesale customers and there are a whole bunch of variations on that theme. if a wholesale customer comes in and has obtained a water supply for use above their 184, not an emergency supply, a permanent supply, and requests for transmission to accommodate it, and i could not see anything in there that covers that particular circumstance. there are certainly interests on the p
three other agencies have already signed the mou, said changing that to be problematic this time, but changing this i do not now. >> there is broader language. caught repairs and contract delivery. president vietor: ok. >> there is nothing. president vietor: i would like to move upset to refer more generically to future supplies. and could i have a second? >> does that have to go to the of the parties? >> no. this and be more clear situation of san francisco a tent --...
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can you please call item 7 and 8 together on the local hiring mou is san the teddy upcounty and the tolling agreement? >> the memorandum of understanding with san may take no county regarding local hiring
can you please call item 7 and 8 together on the local hiring mou is san the teddy upcounty and the tolling agreement? >> the memorandum of understanding with san may take no county regarding local hiring
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this past year, the child abuse prevention center has worked with our public partners in developing an mou that all of the public partners have signed. we're working toward finding a space in the bayview district to create a new child advocacy center where we will be able to do the forensic interviews, law enforcement investigation, child protective services investigation, victim advocacy, and case management, and enhance mental health component for the children we see. we have partnered with another group called the center for youth wellness. it is pediatric care and mental health services for the children. we hope in the next week or two to secure relocation and to move into the new location in october of 2012. we ask your support for the concept. we will be back before you. there are many issues that will have to come before the board. we are excited about this one- stop shopping center that can be for all of our children who are victims of abuse and trauma. these are three of the main recommendations. i thank you very much for your support. we have had wonderful support from the board
this past year, the child abuse prevention center has worked with our public partners in developing an mou that all of the public partners have signed. we're working toward finding a space in the bayview district to create a new child advocacy center where we will be able to do the forensic interviews, law enforcement investigation, child protective services investigation, victim advocacy, and case management, and enhance mental health component for the children we see. we have partnered with...
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revenue growth, and it is largely driven by benefit cost increases, and this is based on -- although the mou's are not negotiated out, it is based on assumptions of basically the current level of wage and benefit increases. it is not at the moment a sustainable five-year outlook, as it is not for the rest of the city. there are not a lot of things that we at the department level can do to address that. pension reform would be the single biggest thing that would help bring us into balance. in terms of alternative revenue sources, supervisor wiener mentioned the idea of maybe getting tree care off of the -- directly funded by property owners. we have been exploring other cities do this, not just for trees, but for landscaping. were there to be a parcel tax or assessment district or some other revenue stream, those costs could come off the general revenue fund. but again, there's not a whole lot that we do that we are supported by the general fund for that has a whole lot of obvious revenue solutions. beyond pension and benefit reform, and the development of alternative revenue solutions, that we
revenue growth, and it is largely driven by benefit cost increases, and this is based on -- although the mou's are not negotiated out, it is based on assumptions of basically the current level of wage and benefit increases. it is not at the moment a sustainable five-year outlook, as it is not for the rest of the city. there are not a lot of things that we at the department level can do to address that. pension reform would be the single biggest thing that would help bring us into balance. in...
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our payroll appropriately according to law, according to our ammo you -- our memo use 00 o -- our mou's. our goal is to revamp -- is to revamp at least six departments. in our capital improvement area, we would like to look at the four different bonds we have. that includes the clean and safe neighborhood parks and earthquake emergency response. we anticipating -- we anticipate doing quite a bit of work in this area, internally or externally, to have a general look at how our bond money is being spent, looking at our construction and the relationship with our contractors and dpw and various departments. as supervisor camos k -- campos knows, we had other items look that under the was separate -- under the wsip. we have other normal compliance audits that occur, as well as looking at other areas generally in our department, developing also a contract wide audit to determine how we are handling our contract. the couple of years ago, we looked at office depot. we want to make sure we are administering our contracts appropriately so we will be developing a program that will help us look at
our payroll appropriately according to law, according to our ammo you -- our memo use 00 o -- our mou's. our goal is to revamp -- is to revamp at least six departments. in our capital improvement area, we would like to look at the four different bonds we have. that includes the clean and safe neighborhood parks and earthquake emergency response. we anticipating -- we anticipate doing quite a bit of work in this area, internally or externally, to have a general look at how our bond money is...
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secondly, i think there is an item regarding uniforms that is also outlined in our mou's that need a little fine-tuning, and i think the third item deals with vendor contracts, which are an issue of going to contracts and making sure that both the budget analyst and our office understand the details of those contracts. as i understand it, those are the three general issues that we need to bear down on. supervisor wiener: i just want to say that i think we have seen a real renaissance in holding these museums. you can see the transformation, so it is amazing for the city. so i know there has been talked about coordination among the various institutions in terms of maybe allowing people to have -- purchase one past so they can go to everything -- one pass so they can go to everything, and create synergy. is there a status on that? >> i cannot give you our report right now, but we're always working on it. we love, appreciate, and admire our workers. in the botanic garden and the japanese tea garden and the conservatory of flowers. you know, designing a ticket for general admission for a
secondly, i think there is an item regarding uniforms that is also outlined in our mou's that need a little fine-tuning, and i think the third item deals with vendor contracts, which are an issue of going to contracts and making sure that both the budget analyst and our office understand the details of those contracts. as i understand it, those are the three general issues that we need to bear down on. supervisor wiener: i just want to say that i think we have seen a real renaissance in holding...
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they recently rejoined and adopted an mou that we took content from in drafting this bureau order that i think meets a lot of the concerns that caused become -- the convening of this session. the department offered this bulletin. in it, members must identify themselves as members of -- as police officers, not federal agents. they work on terrorist cases that have a criminal maxus. the chief reviews all investigations on a quarterly basis and he is to meet with any change in fbi command to explain these protocols within 30 days of that change in fbi command. we will continue to work with the fbi and hrc to engage in dialog regarding our members' roles and responsibilities and are receptive to this particular unit bureau order. we are happy to amend it further. as far as to night came, i wanted there to be something that was a standing protocol in place moving forward that i could represent to this body. president mazzucco: thank you, chief. the tone is that most of the concerns we heard regarding whether or not the memorandum of understanding from 2003 was different from the most recent
they recently rejoined and adopted an mou that we took content from in drafting this bureau order that i think meets a lot of the concerns that caused become -- the convening of this session. the department offered this bulletin. in it, members must identify themselves as members of -- as police officers, not federal agents. they work on terrorist cases that have a criminal maxus. the chief reviews all investigations on a quarterly basis and he is to meet with any change in fbi command to...
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joanne what if mou at today's proceedings, making legal history as a first juror guilty of contempt of court for using the internet. it is a modern twist on an old crime, a moment courts are increasingly worried about. >> what i expect will emerge is a more focused direction, particularly to deal with social networking. >> as mother of a young child, jane stewart was there -- stared prison. asked if she still use facebook, she replied -- >> i don't. >> freil had broken every rule in the jurors' book. as such, she faces a jail sentence of up to two years. >> whether it is facebook or twitter, the world truly has been transformed, and indonesia is one country where the changes are everywhere you look. >> jakarta, and urban sprawl, home to 10 million people drawn from every corner of indonesia. not everyone has benefited, but everywhere you look, the mobile's are out in force. this is indonesia's cell phone generation, but for them, calls and text messages are already passe. it is twitter and facebook that capture their time and attention. indonesians' appear almost addicted to social med
joanne what if mou at today's proceedings, making legal history as a first juror guilty of contempt of court for using the internet. it is a modern twist on an old crime, a moment courts are increasingly worried about. >> what i expect will emerge is a more focused direction, particularly to deal with social networking. >> as mother of a young child, jane stewart was there -- stared prison. asked if she still use facebook, she replied -- >> i don't. >> freil had broken...
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secondly, i think there is an item regarding uniforms that is also outlined in our mou's that need a little fine-tuning, and i think the third item deals with vendor contracts, which are an issue of going to contracts and making sure that both the budget analyst and our office understand the details of those contracts. as i understand it, those are the three general issues that we need to bear down on. supervisor wiener: i just want to say that i think we have seen a real renaissance in holding these
secondly, i think there is an item regarding uniforms that is also outlined in our mou's that need a little fine-tuning, and i think the third item deals with vendor contracts, which are an issue of going to contracts and making sure that both the budget analyst and our office understand the details of those contracts. as i understand it, those are the three general issues that we need to bear down on. supervisor wiener: i just want to say that i think we have seen a real renaissance in holding...