i wanted to tell mr. gelb that in march of this year i was in pakistan and i had to learn about a different type of country for myself and show them how important it is for our country and their countries. but they did not accept who we were and they did not like us. and i agree that the troops coming home, i agree with pwoeufpl because we -- i agree with obama because we need to bring them home and i wanted to mr. gelb's response. host: thank you, diana. guest: as the caller, i'm sure, has guessed from what i have been saying, i agree with that. time has come for us to speed up our exit from there. we should leave some residual force as to provide training, logistics, intelligence, commando operations. but basically we have no vital interests there that would justify the loss of life and expenditure of $120 billion. the time has come. steve, can i add a broader point? host: certainly. guest: which i have been talking about throughout our conversation. i love the fact that our country cares about what goes on