had i been another patient -- and my best friend's barry manilow. he came in and say, i would have taken it. i said i know you would have. but i'm this kind of patient that i don't go to doctors like i'm a child. i go and i listen, and i look at doctors as i'm hiring you as a contractor and all the other specialists are the subcontractor, but i'm running the show here because i think today you've got to take charge of your own health. and thank god i did because -- >> it's a hell of a risk, isn't it? if i'm watching this and i've got a relative that's diagnosed with cancer, it's all very well about you saying forget about conventional treatment, forget about chemotherapy, which has saved millions of lives over the years -- >> three kinds of cancer. testicular like lance armstrong -- >> i've read you said this. >> with non-hodgkin's lymphoma and childhood leukemia. >> they can't be the only three that chemotherapy has any impact on. otherwise, why would they ever treat people with chemotherapy for cancers outside of those three? >> it's a $200 billio