i think it's clear what happened to bob bennet and others that did get primaried, and mike cassel, i don't know if the motivation for the primary is going to may too much attention to the sort of careful details of this deal. >> no, it pays attention to the emotional quality. that is the secret -- one of the important secrets of the republican party. you can be quite moderate like chris christie, you can be conservative, like bob bennet, but if you're a conservative deal maker, you're a seller. that's what people have to worry about when they are in a room alone with the president. >> i have to push back on that, you want to talk about christie or talk about anyone along the spectrum, right? the sort of central ideological principle, the line you cannot cross is taxes, core of the edifice, of course, the whole thing comes down on our heads unless you pay for the government. >> 235 republicans in congress have signed the pledge, no new taxes ever, no taxes ever. >> this is where the president is a player, and i'm making no excuses for the people on the other side of the table, they ha