the boehner bill is tabled. this means that the boehner bill is put aside. but just to explain, they are not killing that bill. they are going to use that bill as the vehicle by which they're going to send back a compromise that we still don't know the details of. we expect that that will be formed over the next day, and be sent back on the boehner bill but they will scrap out all the things that are in boehner, at least some of them and put it back to the house after a vote in the senate. that will be the vote to watch. likely early sunday morning, where it will need 60 votes to pass. depending on what that compromise is between now and then, that will determine whether there are enough votes in the u.s. senate to pass that back to the u.s. house of representatives. tonight, the effort has been tabled and the boehner bill essentially has been put on hold. put on ice, laura 59-41. >> laura: this is dramatic stuff, bret, thanks so much. james, like 59, they needed that one extra vote for the added assurance they didn't get it but harry reid did not waste any t

is the senate waiting for speaker boehner's bill?and there are private conversations going on about possible compromise. based on what happens in the house, if this bill fails, or if harry reid tries to kill it in the senate. so there are conversations going on, but definitely walleyes on the house at this point. roig and all eyes are continuing there. michael, head back for breaking details. thank you. it has been a heated day of rhetoric back and forth. >> it keeps killing the measures that we send over and threatening to do the same with the one that we will send over today. now, harry reid can't have it both ways. the fact is the president has asked us to compromise. we've compromised. >> it will be defeated. they know that. the american people now should understand that clearly. no democratic will free-throw a short-term band -- will vote for a short term band-aid approach and put the nation in a tenable situation we're in today just a few short months from now. >> just moments ago a senior advisory to speaker boehner said, "we'

the boehner bill needs to pass the house. ew jersey sits on the budget committee. good morning, sir. >> good morning. bill: it's been several months since we have spoken. will you back the boehner bill? >> oh, i think the republicans will have enough votes to pass the boehner bill. i will vote no, and i have already voted, as you know, several months ago for a clean, what i would call a clean increase of the debt, the credit of the united states. so, um, i'm going to vote against this one. bill: well, how many democrats will vote yes on the boehner bill? >> i don't think there'll be too many, if there are any. bill: you had five vote in favor of cut, cap and balance. >> yeah. you had nine republicans who voted against that, by the way, remember? bill: oh, i sure do, i sure do. but you're a no. >> yes. bill: why is this bill not good enough in. >> well, when you look at what mr. boehner's talking about and mr. reid are talking about and you put them side by side, bill, they're pretty much the same except for two situations. one

it seems like the only train heading into the station is the boehner bill. >> that's absolutely false. because the senator -- the senate majority leader has a bill that significantly cuts deficits more, reduces spending more. you're right, it doesn't include tax increases, any revenues in it up front, you know, and if you were a republican, you might say, well, gosh, that looks like a compromise to me in my direction, the size of the cuts. you might say, well, gosh, that's a compromise, the democrats have moved towards us on this. and the fact that it allows for this dollar-for-dollar requirement that is completely confected but has created a hostage situation in terms of our economy, it even does that. you might, if you were reasonable, say, as the republicans say, do you know what, i didn't get everything i wanted out of this, but i got a lot, and it's the right thing to do for the economy. that is -- look, what i know about is the speaker's proposal in the house right now, there are 55, 56, 57, 58, senators, republicans and democrats that oppose it, it ain't going anywhere in the u

we need the cap cut and balance bill or boehner bill and need the gang of six bill and probably need another in short order after that. >> greta: you say you are happy we are talking about it. acting on things is a lot different. and still you like the boehner -- the boehner bill coming over here is going to be dead in the water coming over here. >> senator reid said he will bring it up immediately and they have the votes to kill it immediately. unfortunately, his bill does not have the kind of substance it in it in real terms. his will probably die in the senate as well. even though the votes will probably take them down the substance and content of them can easily be pieces of a deal coming together and i'm hopeful that we will be able to put that together in terms of getting a big deal that will help us take major steps. >> greta: when do we get the big deal that is going to correct everything in the government? >> i wish i could tell you it was last night or tonight but obviously has to be within the next couple of days. i believe there is a good chance because we simply can't get

in all likelihood a bill that combines democratic proposals perhaps with parts of the boehner bill. now, the senate bill will then head back to the house and if it passes there it will move on to the president's desk. and joining me now with reaction are two people who will play a key role in this weekend's political drama. pennsylvania senator pat toomey and new hampshire senator kelly ayotte. welcome to the program. thanks for being me. >> ithanks sean. >> the bill tabled. in other words, thisth is the second time that the house of representatives as it relates to the debt ceiling has passed the bill and the bill has been tabled at least temporarily on this one. they are not even taking the bill up, correct? >> that is exactly right. more evidence, clear and really unavoidable evidence that the senate democrats are unwilling to even so much as have a debate about a measure that would put us on a path to a balanced budget. they are so passionately opposed, seriously that opposed to a balanced budget that they won't even allow us to have a debate, have the opportunity to amend it. th

>> the significance of the boehner bill passing, that means house republicans, particularly john boehner conversation. they're able to drive this conversation in a way they wouldn't have been able to if the bill had gone down. if it had gone down, it's entirely possible that the reid bill passes in the senate, and the house republicans are marginalized at that point. the differences between reid and boehner in that critical area, house republicans, republicans generally, have a voice. >> bret: karen? >> we've talked about grand bargains, big changes. what this is once again sort of kicking the can. it makes you wonder if the political system is now so broken that it is actually incapable of solving problems. >> i don't think it's incapable of solving problems. i think people ought to try incrementalism. republicans should remember what got democrats in trouble, they took a bite at the apple in healthcare. republicans said slow down. for the next few days, if we're going to meet this deadline, it's all about politics, deal-make, compromising, and horse trading. >> bret: charles? >> the en

in all likelihood a bill that combines democratic proposals perhaps with parts of the boehner bill. now, the senate bill will then head back to the house and if it passes there it will move on to the president's desk. and joining me now with reaction are two people who will play a key role in this weekend's political drama. pennsylvania senator pat toomey and new hampshire senator kelly ayotte. welcome to the program. thanks for being me. >> ithanks sean. >> the bill tabled. in other words, thisth is the second time that the house of representatives as it relates to the debt ceiling has passed the bill and the bill has been tabled at least temporarily on this one. they are not even taking the bill up, correct? >> that is exactly right. more evidence, clear and really unavoidable evidence that the senate democrats are unwilling to even so much as have a debate about a measure that would put us on a path to a balanced budget. they are so passionately opposed, seriously that opposed to a balanced budget that they won't even allow us to have a debate, have the opportunity to amend it. th

in all likelihood a bill that combines democratic proposals perhaps with parts of the boehner bill. now, the senate bill will then head back to the house and if it passes there it will move on to the president's desk. and joining me now with reaction are two people who will play a key role in this weekend's political drama. pennsylvania senator pat toomey and new hampshire senator kelly ayotte. welcome to the program. thanks for being me. >> ithanks sean. >> the bill tabled. in other words, thisth is the second time that the house of representatives as it relates to the debt ceiling has passed the bill and the bill has been tabled at least temporarily on this one. they are not even taking the bill up, correct? >> that is exactly right. more evidence, clear and really unavoidable evidence that the senate democrats are unwilling to even so much as have a debate about a measure that would put us on a path to a balanced budget. they are so passionately opposed, seriously that opposed to a balanced budget that they won't even allow us to have a debate, have the opportunity to amend it. th

the scenario is one, we pass the boehner bill, it can get to the president, i believe that the bill has in there the terms that were discussed with the senate majority leader harry reid. with provisions that he likes in there. >> greta: so the onus is against president obama? >> he doesn't get a vote that will take him through the election so he doesn't have to talk about spending cuts and taxes again while in an election year. since when is that the dictator of what we've got to do to get the fiscal health of this country right? >> greta: suppose the boehner bill doesn't pass? members of congress had made s to vet you with you and you can peel off enough democrats what happens? >> you got default, -- [ talking over each other ] >> our plan or harry reid's plan. if nothing else, the harry reid plan is sitting there. harry reid does not have the vets now for that plan which is why it is so important -- have the votes now for that plan which is why it is so important. i was one who said months earlier, we can sustain two votes in the house. let's get all the cuts down now. the president s

guess what, he has announced he is not going to vote for the boehner bill. at he was how he has been repaid. a number of people who told boehner and cantor at the beginning of the congressional session at the beginning of the year, you guys are making too big of a deal out of theist guys freshman elected in a wave election like lots of people who have spoiled them. they have been spoiled apparently. >> laura: what's the end game. >> the election, perhaps. >> laura: if, in fact, we see -- we have already seen 480 point market drop, if this thing doesn't go through. if, in fact, we push this issue of raising the debt ceiling off and it goes into next week, most people think the markets are going to continue to go down and, perhaps, collapse. we don't know but people are worrying about that if that happens and. >> who profits? >> laura: who profit. who is going to believe that moderate democrats and moderate republicans aren't going to say, boehner cut the best deal you can. we have got to staunch the bleeding here. >> this is what has made bed fellows with boeh

speaking on the floor earlier today, mitch mcconnell reaffirmed the support for speaker boehner's bille only way to go. >> it is inconceivable to me that they would block the only bill that could get through the house of representatives and prevent a default right now. inconceivable. it is inconceivable to me that they would do this for no other reason than to avoid the president having another debate before his election about the need for washington to get if fiscal house in order. >> joining us now is msnbc contributor and washington post editorial writer jonathan capehart. the senate leader mitch mcconnell says that the party has endorsed every feature of the version except for revisiting it in six months when he says it is not about the re-election when economists say we can't go through another period of uncertainty in few months, so tell me, jonathan, who is right here? >> well, look, the president and the administration and the economists right here. the president is right to want to push it off of the 2012 elections and is there a political benefit to him and the democrats, yes

so that's it, jay, we had -- the senate has disposed of the boehner bill, the short-lived boehner billthink i've seen a house bill passed and then defeated in quite such a quick period of time in one evening. does the president think that there is a way for him to stay out of this? if mcconnell wants him in, does that mean the white house wants to stay out? >> i think the white house -- and, you know, behind the scenes a lot of politicians have said to me in both chambers the president's presence hasn't been helpful in these negotiations. he elevates it to a point where, you know, it's so high up you can't really discuss behind closed doors, you really need to sort of -- a lot of this has to be done through staffers, through getting the basic kind of details of the bills nailed down, and elevating it to that level isn't that helpful, especially when reid and mcconnell have negotiated so many bills together, know each other so well, have a comfortable relationship. boehner and obama have negotiated, but those fell apart twice. and so, i mean, having the president in the room here, espec

, so if the boehner bill gets any more conservative, you know, it doesn't do anything for its chancesnate. so, this is a very tricky time for boehner, and it's a tricky time for lawmakers across capitol hill. >> and what do you think we are going to hear from the president, dave? >> i think we'll hear something similar to what we heard earlier in the week. he has not provided a ton of details. it would be news if he swung even harder behind harry reid's plan. but the president benefits from congress hashing this out and making the sausage while he's in the other room ready to serve it later. he really does. the president got nowhere. the president also polarizes whenever he enters a situation. this was a problem with health care. this is -- it didn't work so well with that. but whenever the president got behind any plan fully, that would make it tougher for it to eventually pass the house. i think he's going to lead from behind again. to use the phrase that one of his advisers used describing foreign policy. look, the best situation for them is almost what's happening right now, where

senator, you're against the boehner bill, but you're for the reid bill, so what's the key difference that makes you for the reid and against the boehner? >> oh, that is an excellent question, and i'm very glad you asked it because that really does get to the heart of it, doesn't it? the two are, in many ways, very close. reid's has somewhat more deficit reduction than does the boehner approach, but the fundamental difference is this: the reid approach is one step, one vote that extends the debt limit through the end of next year. the boehner approach is a two-step approach requiring a second vote. the problem with putting the two together is with reid with one step you've got to find a way of assuring that the savings, the deficit savings will actually occur after you've extended the debt limit. in the boehner approach that's two steps, you have to find a way to assure that there will be an extension of the debt limit past the end of next year. so that's the fundamental difference between the two. jenna: is that -- >> one step or two steps. jenna: one step or two steps, some say the r

broken the stalemate in the house and able to finally get trains moving, and the boehner bill will go down, we know that in the senate. the reid bill will go down in the house and probably won't get out of the senate, probably won't. and we'll get to real negotiations, but i think this constitutional requirement or the requirement that the house republicans put in today about having a balanced budget amendment, the passage of a balanced budget amendment in the house and senate, which requires 2/3 in both, as a prelude or condition for extending the debt limit is a nonstarter. it just -- it's like -- that's like asking a republican to approve huge tax increases in order to extend the debt limit. it's not going to happen. democrats and the president himself is not going to accept that. they have to find some other mechanism for getting a compromise here. two sides are close together on round one of budget cuts. it's the second round of budget cuts that would come next year or deficit cuts that would come next year in contention and a long way apart on finding a way to do that. and if th

we need the cap cut and balance bill or boehner bill and need the gang of six bill and probably need r in short order after that. >> greta: you say you are happy we are talking about it. acting on things is a lot different. and still you like the boehner -- the boehner bill coming over here is going to be dead in the water coming over here. >> senator reid said he will bring it up immediately and they have the votes to kill it immediately. unfortunately, his bill does not have the kind of substance it in it in real terms. his will probably die in the senate as well. even though the votes will probably take them down the substance and content of them can easily be pieces of a deal coming together and i'm hopeful that we will be able to put that together in terms of getting a big deal that will help us take major steps. >> greta: when do we get the big deal that is going to correct everything in the government? >> i wish i could tell you it was last night or tonight but obviously has to be within the next couple of days. i believe there is a good chance because we simply can't get to a

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we're very clear about our opposition, to the boehner bill, which will never get to his desk. but insistent on why we need to raise the debt ceiling, extend our borrowing capacity, so that we can pay bills that have already been rung up, and move forward with addressing our other economic problems. you know, hypotheticals aren't worth getting into. one other thing is i have said from the podium that if we are on the -- you know, in the closing stages of reaching an agreement, you could imagine a situation where for one or two days perhaps you would allow for an sfenextension of the debt ceiling. but there is no two or three or five-month measure or anything that would revisit the need to raise the debt s.e.a.ceiling th acceptable. as a political matter, i think the public is very much with us in our approach to the deal but for economic reasons. this is terrible for the economy. we're seeing it in clear ways now, and it will only get worse if we continue playing these games. >> jay, the president has taken months to make the case for what he calls the balanced approach, which i

a lot of other republicans one saying moments ago the choice of a bad bill the boehner bill or a really senator reid's bill and so that representative says is he still a. no so, at this point they have run out of other business to do here on capitol hill on the house of representatives' side. so, they are in recess until they get the votes to move forward, shep. >> shepard: mike, this is starting to feel like a big night for speaker boehner. he has lost a lot of bills that he has brought before the house since he got this job. it has not gone well for him. if he doesn't get this thing through tonight, is he in trouble? >> well, it makes you wonder because it is a big night for him. look, his name attached to the bill. the question is whether he can get the republican votes to make it happen. and, so, if he loses a significant number of votes, they will see that as a sign of weakness here on capitol hill. and so the question is where do you go from here? republican leadership is doing everything possible to make it happen in terms of getting the bill to the floor, to get it to pass with

on something else and more or less symbolically vote down boehner's bill. t do anything procedural. >> jennifer, a game of leverage. right? boehner can get his bill through republicans and mcconnell would have more leverage going into the final days in the final negotiations and if they don't it's suddenly reid and the white house that have the leverage. what's going on? you've been talking to a lot of membership -- >> they do not. this is not an effort to make it seem it was really tough. they did not have the votes last night. >> not last night, what about this morning? >> as of this morning, no, and we're not even sure what the speaker is going to tell his conference. they're having a meeting today at 10:00. there's discussion they would try to tweak the bill adding in in some fashion the balanced budget amendment, remember, they've already voted on. >> that's a nuclear bomb now. >> exactly. could go to the senate, any democrat over in, maybe they could, as one aide put it, put a soft link in the bill, a sense of the house they would vote on it once more,

broken the stalemate in the house and able to finally get trains moving, and the boehner bill will go we know that in the senate. the reid bill will go down in the house and probably won't get out of the senate, probably won't. and we'll get to real negotiations, but i think this constitutional requirement or the requirement that the house republicans put in today about having a balanced budget amendment, the passage of a balanced budget amendment in the house and senate, which requires 2/3 in both, as a prelude or condition for extending the debt limit is a nonstarter. it just -- it's like -- that's like asking a republican to approve huge tax increases in order to extend the debt limit. it's not going to happen. democrats and the president himself is not going to accept that. they have to find some other mechanism for getting a compromise here. two sides are close together on round one of budget cuts. it's the second round of budget cuts that would come next year or deficit cuts that would come next year in contention and a long way apart on finding a way to do that. and if they can

boehner. he talked about his bipartisan bill. and he talked about the fact that he was going to pass it in the house of representatives. we waited for that on tuesday, again on wednesday, then on thursday, and finally today, passed it, but it wasn't bipartisan. all republican votes. not a single democratic vote, and a scant majority. 218 out of 435-member house. when it came to the united states senate, it was dead on arrival, on a bipartisan basis. a bipartisan majority of senators, 59, voted to table the boehner proposal. and now we have a chance to reopen this conversation. and i can tell you, there is a growing sentiment among senators on both sides of the aisle to sit down and reach a reasonable compromise and to save our economy from the disaster that awaits us if we fail to extend this debt ceiling. what these senators on the republican side are waiting for is a permission slip from senator mcconnell. he told them to hold back until boehner had his chance. hold back until the boehner bill came to the floor. that's all hist

boehner's bill may never make it through the senate. eric thomas is here to say why its critical step. >> that is because some observers think even if the boehner bill is a lost cause it will move them closer. boehner discussed his proposal at a news conference just minutes ago. >> when the house takes action today, the united states senate will have no more excuses for inaction. >> house speaker john boehner appear to be making progress for his cost cutting plan. dozens of freshmen republicans now back. >> it we believe this bill is bipartisan, in origin. i believe it will pass the house today. >> reporter: nancy pelosi says if it passes the house it won't be because of her caucus. >> i'm proud of the enthusiasm of something other than the boehner bill. the boehner will bill no l not pass. >> the revised bill will raise the debt ceiling by $900 billion and cut government spending but it would make congress revisit the issue in six months. tea party wants more cuts than the debt limit and that has sparked criticism from a key republican

the house passes the boehner bill and the senate properly slaps it down. senate majority leader harry reid held a news conference speaking on tonight's vote. >> senator murray asked to be excused 'cause of a family situation. all good. her husband's here. tonight a bipartisan majority in the senate rejected boehner's short-term plan. clearly, we're seeing something we've seen a lot here in the senate. this time the country's attention is focused on it, a filibuster. a filibuster to -- from william ford on this legislation. a proposal that i put forward is a compromise. we changed it even more today. we would have changed it more, but as i indicated on the floor, we had no one to negotiate with. the republican leader said he wouldn't negotiate with me. [ cell phone rings ] i don't remember whose that is. not mine. [ laughter ] [ cell phone rings ] >> your pizza's ready. [ laughter ] >> it really is a worst possible time conducting a filibuster. they're forcing us to wait until tomorrow morning -- let's see, today's still friday, till sunday morning at 1:00

he tweeted, the boehner bill is not perfect. but it's... >> the democrats sending the speaker of the house a letter saying they will veto his plan. paul ryan joins us. >> good to be with you again. >> well, it doesn't look like the boehner bill may go forward in the house, but that's about all. >> i think that's a lot of talk. i think they are making threats to reduce the chance of the democrats voting for it in the house. president obama asked for a blanket increase in the debt limit. no spending cuts. we said no. we said you have to cut more than a dollar's worth of spending for every dollar you raise the debt limit. then he asked for big tax increases. we got rid of the tax increases. now we have a bill that does what hee we said it should do, cuttings more than it raises the debt limit by. is it perfect? no. is it as much as we proposed? no. this doesn't do that. but it gets us down the right path. it's cuts we can bank right now, it's a step in the right direction. so i think it's a good step in the right direction. >> it h

. >> congressman, you're not willing to support the boehner bill at this point. why? >> well, it raises the debt limit. and i've made too many promises i wouldn't raise the debt limit. i've never voted for the appropriation bill and i've been worried about our spending for many, many years if not decades. so i think that would only encourage people to spend more money. if debt is the problem, raising the debt limit by $2.4 billion, i don't see how it can be a solution. >> you talk about obviously the principles behind your not supporting it. is part of your thinking, though, also politics of what happens to the bill in the senate and what happens after that? >> no. i think that's sort of not much of my concern. that's what most of what's going on here is all the politics. i've heard that they already know what they'll finally come out of this but they have to go up to the last minute to see who gets blamed for whatever and see who can get the best edge. but i think the leaders have more or less agreed on something to raise the debt limit. >> you th

boehner. the senate weren't going to pass this bill ever. already had the symbolic vote on the american balance act. how long do we have to continue to watch the political posturing without seeing anything definitive getting done? >> boehner is going to face a big decision assuming a compromise can come out of the senate. it will go back to the house. they'll have to decide whether to allow a vote. the whole blame for default will fall on the republican party. joe is right about what happened today. if you listen to boehner, and i guess you'll play the speech, it's lie after lie. there is nothing about jobs in this bill. he's not the president who said no. john boehner walked away from the talks. these folks are reaganites in name only. ronald reagan raise the debt limit 18, 19 times. i don't think you can call these people realists. they are not conservativists, they are radicals. >> when we talk about the jobs picture though, grover noroquist was talking about we need people paying taxes. why aren't they working more getting a jobs bill or

that is as gloria said we have a boehner bill and a reid bill. each one may pass -- well, the boehner bill's going to pass the house, i think. the reid bill may pass the senate. but then they're both going to die in the other chamber. the real issue is what comes after that? what kind of compromise can be fashioned? and can you find a compromise that both sides -- can you get enough votes from their own party to pass? and there are enough similarities between the boehner bill and the reid bill that with the kind of craftsmanship of mitch mcconnel you might be able to put it together. they both leave out tax increases. that's something the president has wanted. they both leave it out. that makes it easier. but there's still a lot of distance between them on how much to cut and how sure are they of getting real cuts? the reid plan says, well, we're going to cut $2.2 trillion. the republicans come back and say, well, 1.1 of that or more are phantom savings from ending the wars in iraq and afghanistan we're going to end, anyway. those are not real cu

the house remains in recess right now but we are expecting the vote on the boehner bill to begin shortlyearlier this evening the onceaker of the house john boehner called for a last milste delay of the vote but house majority leader eric cantor's office confirms tonight it is still dd.initely on meaning the vote. now, if the bill passes the house it will then move to the u.s. stat where i senate wherey expected to be ejected. over 57 senators said they would vote against it. 51 d obocrats, two indwhat ends and four republicans including my next guest said they could not vote for a plan that doesn't have a balanced budget amendment. hat weining us with reaction is kentucky senator rand paul. senator, this has just come over the fires and fann news hs confirmed there is now a growing possibility in the house tonight that in order to get the final votes for passage that there mignel be a tweaking going on of the boehner bill. so in other words, i guess that confirte t there are not enough votes so they are perhaps some members are saying that if this happened or this happened we might be ab

saying do we reject spending cuts we've already agreed to because we don't like the fact it is boehner's billor do we sign it, risk default or sign it? >> greta: i think i bet against whether it is going to become a bill. president obama has said, the word from the white house staff -- >> the white house there's a difference. >> greta: white house staff he would veto it. capitol hill democrats majority in the senate are not wild about it, now so it is being said. >> if they try to ping-pong this back and forth we start running out of time. >> greta: the president said if it is a short term until november the commission would report back in december, that the people who do our credit rating they are still going to downgrade our credit. >> what would be worse is if we passed a deal that was full of gimmicks that didn't cut the spending it claimed like harry reid's bill does. >> greta: is there something that would avoid a downgrade? don't get me started on the credit rating agencies -- >> i know. >> greta: i'm so scandalized by that. these people are the reason we are in this mess. they gave aa

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no, look, the tea party did, we know, hold up the boehner bill yesterday. early got himself enough votes, and a lot of tea party people went with him, but nonetheless the tea party -- i give them credit for bringing this issue to the forefront of american politics -- i think they are wrong. i also have called them anarchists, and someone on the panel asked me if i would take it back. the answer is no. you know why? could wettest definition of anarchist. >> a person who rebels against any authority or ruling party or promotes anarchy. >> there's the answer to my question. the ruling powers in the house of representatives were john boehner and a vast majority of his own caucus. they rebelled against that. they wouldn't go along. they have rebelled and rebelled. i know elections have consequences, but i'll tell you something when the consequences begin to threaten the vast majority, then you become anarchists. >> bob, the mistake you're making, you're seeing the tea party as a recalcitrant group of evil people. >> i don't think they're evil. >> it's a bedrock p

that the house passes the boehner bill, it comes to the senate. and hairy reid and mitch mcconnell and john boehner sit down and work something out. who is missing from this equation? the president of the united states. he has been divorce frtd process. last we heard from the president was monday night. he said he had to have tax increases as part of any legislation. and harry reid agreed not to have tax increases. the president is now a bystander. leading from behind. >> okay. so quoting from behind, if something is achieved how does that matter? >> the president of the united states is elected to lead. the president of the united states, every previous president i know has been not only active in the process, but led in the process. that is the job of the president. >> greta: heading up, making phone calls is considered leadership if dispatching vice president biden up to talk to people and making phone calls and putting people in the same room. things we might not see? is that leading or not? >> what is leading is to say here is my plan. here is

the speaker's day began with hard hardly enough bills to pass the bill, and he has been scrambling to change minds all day long. boehners that his bill is the best option. >> when the house takes action today, the united states senate has no more excuses for inaction. the bill is not perfect. i have never said it was perfect and nobody in my caucus believes

that the house passes the boehner bill, it comes to the senate. and hairy reid and mitch mcconnell and john boehner sit down and work something out. who is missing from this equation? the president of the united states. he has been divorce frtd process. last we heard from the president was monday night. he said he had to have tax increases as part of any legislation. and harry reid agreed not to have tax increases. the president is now a bystander. leading from behind. >> okay. so quoting from behind, if something is achieved how does that matter? >> the president of the united states is elected to lead. the president of the united states, every previous president i know has been not only active in the process, but led in the process. that is the job of the president. >> greta: heading up, making phone calls is considered leadership if dispatching vice president biden up to talk to people and making phone calls and putting people in the same room. things we might not see? is that leading or not? >> what is leading is to say here is my plan. here is

house will not vote on the boehner bill tonight. they went back to the rules committee, giving the house ability to bring up any bill at nearly a memt's notice between now and tuesday. republicans in the house are tweaking the bill to wrangle votes they need to pass the plan. and representative michelle bachmann says she won't do it. she will not vote on a budget plan unless she sees a change in government spending habits included that. is only the beginning. >> i can't support any plan that begin was aassumption we have to raise the debt limit and yet doesn't offer a fundamental restructuring of government spending habits. i won't do it. and while i embrace principles of cut, cap, and balance, the bill did not go far enough to fundamentally restructure the way that this city spends the american people's money. it allowed for increase in the debt limit. something i simply won't do. i also believe that we must repeal and defund obama care as part of any solution to our current debt crisis. why? because obama care is the largest spendi

how -- i haven't rejected anything other than speaker boehner's bill. so i have not rejected something for the democrats. they haven't even presented us with something. >> congressman, thank you very much. >>> now we'll bring in congresswoman debbie wasserman shultz, who heads the democratic committee. you probably heard the conversation i had there. clearly one of the big problems, whichever side of the argument you're on, is the republican party is split, isn't it, between the likes of mr. chaffetz there who are completely resolutes to any concept to raising the debt ceiling or bringing taxation in for earning that way. then you have the others, speaker boehner's corner, who can't get their bill through the senate. where are we with this? >> well, there's clearly a -- an internal battle between on between the republican party now. you have a group of what i would say are extremist tea party republicans who basically have a strong stronglehold over the matter. the details seems to be wagging the dog. in chaffetz who is a nice person, who i've had lovel

there will be no vote tonight on house speaker boehner's debt bill. just -- that news just came from house gop whip kevin mccarthy. we were expecting the vote earlier tonight in the house but speaker boehner is trying to wrangle up enough votes. joining us is dick morris. sort of a surprise that one congressman who is a member of the tea party who is opposed to boehner said that he thought the votes there were and now the vote we have been standing by for is put off. >> yeah, i think boehner will get the votes but it is a tall order to get 90% of your caucus to support something. this bill when boehner passes it, which i think he will tomorrow, i think check mates barack obama. and when they are are saying and the democrats are saying it is dead on arrival in the senate, it will go right into the ashcan, that is very wishful thinking on their part because once the republicans say okay, we are willing to extend the debt limit in return for these cuts, obama -- and it is not an impossible thing like cut cap and balance a constitutional amendment but it

that the house passes the boehner bill, it comes to the senate. and hairy reid and mitch mcconnell and john boehner sit down and work something out. who is missing from this equation? the president of the united states. he has been divorce frtd process. last we heard from the president was monday night. he said he had to have tax increases as part of any legislation. and harry reid agreed not to have tax increases. the president is now a bystander. leading from behind. >> okay. so quoting from behind, if something is achieved how does that matter? >> the president of the united states is elected to lead. the president of the united states, every previous president i know has been not only active in the process, but led in the process. that is the job of the president. >> greta: heading up, making phone calls is considered leadership if dispatching vice president biden up to talk to people and making phone calls and putting people in the same room. things we might not see? is that leading or not? >> what is leading is to say here is my plan. here is

>> we made clear how we feel about the boehner bill, the speaker boehner bill. because it is incredibly bad for the economy to have some kind of scircus go on in washington wit folks saying that we're going to force the default unless you come what we want, unless you enact spending cuts that were rejected already that are more draconian than are in the ryan bill, that would do significant damage to social security and medicare. force incredible cuts in clean energy and education and all the things that nothing close to a majority assumsupported and cery not in the country, oi otherwis we'll just default. that's not a mechanism that's good for us, the economy, good for the american people. so that's what we oppose. beyond that, there are a lot of ways to get to compromise and that is what the american people i think really want us to to is to compromise. not stick to anybody, no score political victories and see who can be blamed for the economic damage that would be done by the fight here. people want these fights to resolve and they're happy to have hf have --

and now speaker boehner's office said they're rewriting the bill.well, i appreciate the fact that the speaker has said all along and i think the republican position has been all along that whatever debt limit increase we talk about, and, of course, you know that the house republicans and house democrats have already passed a bill out of the house that does raise the debt limit, but whichever one we do has to, you know, really cut more money than we -- than we raise the debt limit by and i think in their initial numbers, this bill would have done that by a marginal amount. but we don't do anything here in washington without cbo scoring it and as you said it came in 850 and it's under the trillion dollars in cuts they needed. at least we have a bill here. unfortunately, as you know, the white house has yet to give us anything in writing that we can try to compare this against to see whether this is good, better, or worse than the white house is presenting us with. we have nothing from the white house. but at least here we have something on paper. >> h