so then we asks francesco guerara and floyd norris to be joined by al hunt of bloomberg news inashington and began the conversation with floyd norris. >> what do you think. it's amazing. the greek situation is a al tragedy. greek cannot borrow money. this country is not in bad shape at all. or but we have a politically geneted crisis. there is no real rean to have a debt limitation anyway. what congress and the president shouldo is tax spending, taxes and spending and the economy together will produce a budget deficit or surplus. the democrats, i think were rightly worried a little bit about how much president obama was willing to give away in terms of slicing spending on programs they hold dear. but it turned out the republicans are unwilling to accept anything. and john boehner who had promised repeatedly that the debt ceiling would be raised, apparently now is backing away from that. it looks like he's just caved in to the right wing members of his caucus. >> rose: he has released this statement. during these discussions as in my earlier discussions became evident that the white house