you want to jump in there i mean i mean again i think we're all speaking in very ideal types because we all know that this is not happening and how the message of christ of the holy bible is being portrayed all over the place i mean when these even general calls come over from the united states to russia and say oh no not these people who are not here go back home because they're used to it back there ok but here people look at religion in a very different way it's very solemn and it's very it's very much respected i mean some of the things that people wear like i said jesus jeans for example that would almost be blasphemy here i mean lisa for an average person i mean again a is it's a it's the commodification culture is is hijacking as it were for entertainment personal purposes for money. for its longevity what do you and how do you think about that i mean i mean it's culture is diluting the message more and more. well i agree with that a lot of people are doing these things for personal gain and profit and all of that and i wouldn't buy jesus jeans or jesus pills and and all the r

i mean, not nothing. i said, "mother... (speaking spanish)" anshe's... my mother'very practical, you know? she's like, you know, "(speaking spanish)" i said, "(speaking spanish)," and she laughed. she was like, "oh, well, divide $10,000 by 11 years, and you have..." but she was thinking... yeah. >> hinojosa: i was wondering how you would have said pulitzer to your mom. because, you know, there's this thing that dominicans do with language. in fact, that's how oscar wao came to be, right? i mean, you looked at the name oscar wilde, and you said... >> well, yeah, no. i an, part of , it's ju... i's more... it's not even just dominicans. it's what happens when you exist in two languages-- and some people exist in three or four-- is that words begin to have resonances outside of their... you know, their kind of standard place in their original language. wilde, when pronounced in spanish, sounds like wao, and that's a fun kind of collusion. >> hinojosa: one of the things that i loved about the book is that, you know, you are, alo

if i want to show that i mean it looks to me i mean it's key to the murdoch case here i mean the murdoch people are apparently are in bed with the politicians in bed with the police there's allegations of dealing with criminals ok i mean we can all talk about the principle of freedom of speech but i mean what do we do about that i mean how can you make sure through some kind of regulation that we don't have a repeat of that again because all of those elements are very unhealthy i think we'd all agree to that go ahead john. broadly speaking i don't think i would call for a government regulations specifically in the case of the phone hacking scandal i think there needs to be a new professional organization that allows for self-regulation the existing self-regulation mechanism here in the u.k. is obviously broken but i do think in general the press has been is a nice to have a great deal in the press and i will remind the audience that are my colleagues on the show here but it was the guardian you know a terrific newspaper that pushed this scandal into the public sphere and onto this news p

i mean i mean he's how a lot of his seriously could be m s n b c yeah i mean everybody's doing it. can you say ariadne for same time france is now as it was originally from julian assange who was. trying to get information from us i think there is a lot of people that didn't agree with that but i will say that the important thing to kind of man is that he'll become a billionaire media mogul without knowing what's going on and there's a certain amount of trouble daily that you know if we go to war here take this back to politics one recall election down in wisconsin eight to go six for republicans to for democrats scott walker could be a little trouble here's what happened when he showed up in public a couple of days ago. i. was. so you know you should be very proud that he went and they yelled at the governor their governor and screamed i'm trying to give a speech you should be very proud of them there was i mean i think i think there's a bigger problem tom you asked this question earlier how there it is when people are putting that kind of partisan intend into legislation like havi

i think that people i mean i think that the question is who are the people i mean if you're saying the people are the labor unions that's what i'm talking about just you know a majority of voters well i mean i need probably i mean in order to maintain he was pushing to balance the budget the one to watch you know you refer to as a democrat who are going his reelection was subject to recall i don't think that's a referendum on what's going to happen in these other election i think it's a referendum on the how the public respond to the senators leaving the state i think that that what it shows is that the public is what is does understand why the senate democrats left the state and it does support those that did well you can also figure there also is a lot of education that's happening about what the nature of labor unions really is do we really need them anymore me as kind of as an example yeah i mean i think there's a there is a market in the workplace we're going to should have a voice no i mean there is there is it was a time for unions and the question is whether some of these union

it puts be fair it's a business to i mean you have to have a business model and i am not casting any aspersions on your work whatsoever but you know in failing this message and in the the ideas associated with this person at the center of this religion you do have to have a business plan don't you. well yes and the and of course the difference of the people in the world they're the genuine genuine christians who want to present and from what you just christ correctly and there are those who want to make money and therefore they see marketing as a means by which they can persuade people to buy their products and you listed a few will really well there's many others as we know they want you to buy their products because their want to make money so their motivation isn't to win souls or to change their lives or to cause others to come to jesus as their lord and savior but it is to profit and that's where i draw the line with those type of people ok philip you want to jump in there go right ahead. and that's exactly right part of the deal is that you know it's not so much that the church

great sign and just time to move to begin with i mean notice that in my mind codesa and i are all in washington and so we have our fingers now on how sudan policy gets me and i think people have been rightly worried about the war in their domain eighteen new you. know in the sudan and we're in for the last few days president bashir has made a lot of very worrying statements and there is a war on the border and i would be and in southern kordofan so yes you have to look at the security guard everything that has been said i agree totally with because of the especially the challenges of oil and ethnicity we have to help this southern sudanese the u.s. and others who care have to help them to build institutions incidentally i think if you stress democracy you will of word want people wrongly called the oil case it is not their kids what is necessary is once you have oil you are to build strong institutions to do with the oil the united states is well endowed with oil it doesn't corrupt their their country as much as people assume for other places so i do think that yes they foreclose on

if in london if i go to you there's also the idea of service ok you know if i knew you in london i mean in researching this program i came across a number of references that the historic jesus jesus christ first first in many ways a great c.e.o. . an interesting comment well how do you feel about that. that's not the capital i would use ok but there's a thing i think i need to clarify or expand upon we talk about the marketing of jesus christ and my friend earlier on talk about publishing the gospel. well let's define what marketing marketing is in my definition of marketing and marketing specialist as you know my definition of marketing is that we must promote and present jesus christ to the world as lord and savior so it's the message and the person as all are to be honest as been established but what we're doing is presenting jesus in the way that the bio bible presents him that other presents him as good lord we must tell that to the present him as being the only savior for the world for mankind the bible present him as the healer as the great physician resent him as a god of love a

that was i saw the report is it crazy isn't it i mean you know the hoover dam i mean we built things we sent people to space which now we can't do anymore we realized that you sometimes there's this thing called economic development government invests and when you government invest it creates jobs we did this obviously f.d.r. did this and you know it goes on and on i also made sure to talk about in the article that you know this because this really bothers me i'm an american i'm proud of being an american i love my country why would you sit there and cut the very far the very funds that would provide you country people to be educated would be to have health care if you like seeing word world health organization rankings that have said thirty seven if you like having education rankings that put us like two spots out of cuba i mean at what point can you sit there and say i'm a petri to this country and yet we're ranking near the bottom of all these indicators and i would think that that's painful to me it's not painful for those who claim to care about this country one would have so fa

sure well i mean how i think that israel will take it in stride the same way that lebanon will take it in stride the same way that the region will take it in stride nobody expects the hezbollah government which before they controlled the government when they were merely the opposition of when they were merely a coalition partner said that they would cut off the hands of anybody who tried to arrest anybody indicted by the internationally sanctioned prosecutor investigation so the question is not whether or not they're going to hand him over but what in lebanon will do for now i think that on this issue probably is the only issue that the panelists agree which is that the lead but there is no taste in lebanon for sectarian conflict and if there was a case for sectarian conflict and this is what the other panelist won't say but is the fact that the march fourteenth movement would get would lose his ball as would the u.s. lebanese armed forces would lose to his ball his ball is just the most powerful militia the most powerful military force if you will in lebanon and so the country is goin

yes i want to i think today is very right i mean nothing is right about the ambassador made the point of president bashir in the north and i would be our new independent and i think that is totally true he shared fly down there he had been see he. again when decision of the south to brick a we are sad to see it but then who are seen beginning last week and since he came back he's been very beleaguered what i want to say is another thought that in the northern. china china's relationship by sheer which also would bring in their rule of the united states i mean we all know president obama. wants an africa and these two can interest in africa. to others means it's. this is obama was us in south africa so i hope that behind the scenes president obama is talking to the chinese because there are an important influence on. both. sudans especially the north because the our land is palmed by companies from three countries their major one being chinese company it is the law it is sold to china and order by she has come from china so i hope the u.s. is talking to china so that the constructive r

well you know i mean in short yes but that really sometimes it takes the the implication of something like a default i think to wake people up to just exactly what's going on but wake people up to what because of course we have an a.b.c. news washington post poll that came out today that shows that eighty percent of the people polled are dissatisfied by or are flat out angry about the work the government is doing and they can narrow it down to this debt ceiling debate because that's when these numbers started really going south compared to past number so why aren't americans in the streets upset demanding that their government works. you know i that's that's the sixty four thousand dollar question i mean i think to a certain extent we're at a time in this country of unprecedented wage stagnation for the middle class word of time in this country of incredible joblessness that we haven't seen in years we we're we are still no not technically we're still feeling we're still feeling the effects of the recession and to the extent that we've had a growth coming out of it it's all been on th

i mean, do you clap? you know, do you follow the normal rituals of a nightclub? ld even stop a supposedly sophisticated audience like this. and i can attest from personal experience to the fact that you play this song even today-- i mean, now, you know, we've heard everything today. it's very hard for any kind of song to have great shock value because anything goes now. certainly there are no political issues that are off-limits. you know, there are no words that are off-limits. there are no images, really, that are off-limits. even in this kind of sophisticated crowd and even in sophisticated crowds today, you have somebody perform this song as somebody did at my book party, for instance-- we had the book party at the site of the original cafe society, which is in greenwich village, right off the sheridan square subway stop. and we staged it in the same way, which was an interesting issue too-- that the song was always the last song of any set that she did. all the service in the restaurant would stop. you know, the waiters would stop bringing drinks. nothing wou

that he could continue to do i mean he's not going to be mentally incapacitated you know he's just going to be physically distant and you know i lead going undergoing treatment but he still will remain in front of government be activated electronic signature so he can sign his three documents he's going to be in via teleconference on different cabinet meetings and of course he's already on even though he's getting his first chemo today he's tweeting about things happening in the country here is part you know i'm t.v. involving everything. people are quite surprised he has gone back to cuba or not stayed in his country those questions have been raised and you would of course be a lot easier for him to keep an eye on what's going on if he stayed in caracas not really in fact the opposition was primarily speculating and pushing for him to go to brazil i mean it just so happens you know the opposition. it's value is very right wing it is very anti q grants and have a thing against cuba were he to have chosen to go to brazil i don't think they're out it would have been the same whatever he'd

is still very active the military has amazing privileges controls are huge swaths of the economy i mean if in many many ways it's news been no revolution whatsoever and say to some degree we do still have a continuation of the past i think what is very surprising in a ways by the military yes of course it's trying to maintain its power its economic power hold on egypt there's no question about it but one of the forces that paradoxically is asking the military to slow down partially would change it's actually the liberals who started the revolution because as the ruler was saying they have not been able to organize themselves so it is almost productively the muslim brotherhood is the one of these pushing for elections as soon as possible. while the liberals are the ones doing down the process. which is a paradox because in some degree they ask for major sweeping changes immediately as we should ask for prosecution of the of individual selling to the regime but on the other hand bismo down certain things and that is problematic that i think speaks in a way of the defragmentation of politi

i'm not sure i follow entirely if you mean. the because of the fact that tony blair and george bush went and voted for war crimes. by extension get there shouldn't because i thought feel that whether or not these people are in both of them it's the case that the crimes of warrants such as such as. if verdict being put upon them and it's a very very strong very very strong statement to the rest. of us in the world that if you do follow such vicious and such horrible crimes against your people that you won't be given or. as you think you may that's not this that tony blair and george bush should be should be investigated for their crimes in iraq but it doesn't mean by extension you know that the arab dictators of the world to get away with such heinous crimes ok omar you want to jump in there i mean it is see it seems kind of i did you know you should be indicted for war crimes if you kill other people not your own people but if you kill your own people you should be indicted it seems kind of skewed in itself omar go ahead. what i

yes because of course here i mean. i think one of our colleagues just mentioned the west operates on visas of interests and when interests intersects then you know a lot of the human rights violations are looked not looked at but when the interests do not intersect then those human rights violations of us are highlighted and that's the case with that with libya obviously oil interests and other interests the moral outrage i mean we were talking now about the violations that put their feet has done throughout his rule is rule but if you if you want to speak about an i.c.c. indictment the correct one that could have happened in july in june one thousand nine hundred six when the deficit forces committed and i secular crime against humanity in obviously in prison in tripoli you were twelve hundred thirty political prisoners were gunned down with mass graves and i visited the area later on in two thousand and ten and you would have stories from the outside as people outside the prison and stories from x. detainees who witne

i mean, why else would he throw the book at her in that way? it was the most sen soirs sentence he could have imposed? >> well, piers, i happen to agree with you. i sensed even during the trial that this judge was very prosecution oriented. during very important junctures in the trial. and he could have released her right at the end of the trial, when the jury came back with not guilty on the homicide charges. and could have said, you're released from this courtroom, and had her come back for sentencing for the misdemeanors. he was involved in a case, he knows the facts, and i believe, and i said it before the trial and during the trial, i was probably the only voice in america that said, there's not enough evidence to prove her guilty of these heinous crimes. and the jury just was not convinced. even though we're all sickened by the death of caylee, there was nothing linking her death with the defendant. of course, there was the missing 31 days where she didn't call the police. and that was an aberration. that was just an outrageous act. but th

yes i mean i think i think the quagmire will only get worse you cannot present i think you cannot present the interest of nato as being the interest of the libyan people nato and the nato powers have converted to the libyan civil war into something else and that will roll on and i know the fact for example the day the african union summit convenes in. in equitorial guinea and we know that gadhafi won't be there but the question one question might be will shear of sudan be because remember that there was a into load what he has ever been indicted by the international criminal court except somebody from africa and the most the highest ranking one is the president of sudan and the african countries are cocking a snoot at this international criminal court because it is seen to be simply a tool of the western powers and that will roll on so the credibility of it for example will be shot and the fact that william hague gets up when the international criminal court issued this indictment two days ago and says this only proves our point remember that the statute is the international criminal cour

is that a joke i mean you've got to be kidding me it's not only from the town but it is like they're plotting like a revenge attack which i guess you could say perhaps that's what the republicans are doing i don't know what they think follow me blindly without knowing what exactly i'm planning for what i'm going to do just say yes you know i mean if we want to be like really sort of liberal with the metaphor and really work it all out i mean the guys that they're about to go. back on are actually very bad people so you know they are very bad people in the film but it's somebody that's already over a real life but it real life i mean this fight both sides are characterizing the other side as being you know the sum of all fears so i think you know i mean i don't know why they would show this in a briefing but you know it's just it's a metaphor it's a stupid metaphor or whatever i like the idea of bringing movie clips to congress as you know the whole can be such a stiff place so you know if this is what's doing it for them why don't play always an optimist and i are that after that clip

well mark o'mara there's a moment i can interrupt there's no indication they're going to leave ok so i mean to stop the bloodshed maybe there should be talks and i think certain that question to jim i mean i'll ask the question and can there be a political solution because the current regime shows no interest in leaving the scene it will continue to fight and after the indictments from the international criminal court it looks like we'll continue to fight because there is no way out now for those people do you think. yes i mean i think i think the quagmire will only get worse you cannot present i think you cannot present the interest of nato as being the interest of the libyan people nato and the nato powers have converted the libyan civil war into something else and that will roll on and i know the fact for example that today the african union summit convenes in. in equitorial guinea and we know that gadhafi won't be there but the question one question might be will shear of sudan be because remember that there was a into low body has ever been indicted by the international criminal court

go ahead well i think i think we're looking over we're looking at a very different perspective i mean you can call it a civil war if you'd like to but i think. you're almost equating it to to moral equivalence to morally equal swords which is a group of the fact that there's a revolution occurring in libya and it was being suppressed with the most violent means on. the missiles and bullets were fired at civilians and so if you want to call it a civil war feel free to but that ignores the fact on the ground which is that good their personal army i were talking a civilian population i don't know if i'm a history. as a civil war you know i feel free to call it what you like ok jim if i can go to you why should nato be in the business of forcefully changing regime presumably to bring democracy and one has to wonder if it's good to keep the country together is one sovereign state i mean why is that nato mission now. well i think in a way i'm as police are in it although i think in the wrong way the fact that libya has been singled out in this way the fact that for example could afi has bee

are there let them become a tourist but by going back to a devalued drug might tell you ok serious i mean it was i think you brought up a very interesting point i think we have to go with it still here is that if this president is same with greece then you have this is a knock on effect of this contagion and it is about banks here i mean we cannot we can all criticize the banks but i mean the banking system in germany in france wants to survive this is well i mean it's damned if you do damned if you don't that's the problem absolutely very plainly serious you know first letter your first going to go bankrupt shares i'll go ahead. well the problem is that if you let them go bankrupt and then through default and this conclusion spreads and probably going to see people respond in heart writing to me where we are still grappling with it today then you've got a real problem this is not a domino effect in the eurozone this is a break for the rest of the world that's been thrown and his death is going to affect our markets look the europeans can make up their minds hang on the europeans can make

you know what i mean? and i would say, "yeah, you're beautiful," you know what i mean? just things like that. and so their souls would open up, and we had deep confidentiality agreements. you know, i said no one, unless you... you know, unless you threaten to take your own life or someone else's life, no one will ever see this notebook. >> hinojosa: so they were really able to be entirely honest. >> there was a deep intimacy, and that comes through in the... not so much in the movie, but you really see that in the book, where she... precious reveals things like her status, the abuse, you know, what was happening with her mama, things... the unspeakable. the unspeakable can be written. >> hinojosa: and you actually say it has to be written... >> it must be. >> hinojosa: must be written over and over again. i'm thinking about the character of mo'nique. what was it like for you... whoa. because what a total tranormation... >> exactly. >> hinojosa: ...of this woman mo'nique. i mean, her own personal story of allowing herself to be transformed into this monster. talk about wh

who am i going to learn and so on the point here i mean it's still the mubarak regime it just without its head and this is willy one of the reasons why i wanted to do this program here is because we can we actually even use the term revolution yet because the the the the the corpus of that regime is still very active the military has amazing privileges controls huge swaths of the economy i mean in many many ways it's news been no revolution whatsoever and say to some degree we do still have a continuation of the past i think what is very surprising you know ways that the military yes of course is trying to maintain its power its economic power its hold on egypt there's no question about it but one of the forces that paradoxically is asking the military to slow down partially with change it's actually the liberals who started the revolution because as the ruler was saying they have not been able to organize themselves so the islamists products achille the muslim brotherhood is the one of the pushing for elections as soon as possible. while the liberals are the ones doing down the proce

brought down the government i mean when you look at any particular government has more lies about two members and that's not what i'm saying doesn't even it doesn't you know how can a surety and a government i say let us know it can't i just want to hear i'd like to go to mona there's there's one interesting scenario out there is that jim and i'm not going to point a finger at anyone right here but there are some people in the in the region and i'll be honest something about israel are very pleased to see that the lebanese are squabbling among themselves because they don't want to see another war with hezbollah because they hezbollah has been very very careful in expanding its influence in the country and maintaining its grassroots stronghold which it has i mean it does have a lot of popularity in lebanon that something that would bother the israelis and throw in the mix what's going on in syria. syria is tomorrow as. you know in the international issues. and that's why is just it's syria is giving him distance from the details of the indictment if you notice . so the government is ob

i mean i don't follow the bankers because you think it's and you're ignoring a very annoying the for the good here is these are completely different type of force to suppress and whilst we were facing the same force in libya as the bahrain is for the libyan people not asking for international intervention but when the scenario changed the reality in the fundamentals of the details in the grove were completely different it was an armed conflict now the civilians on and the army is on and it calls for intervention it's not the case and by her own please do not try to only when an israeli it is a very good story and i am if i could stay with you i could stay with you and it's real quickly i mean i don't think anybody on this program is wants to justify anything that mr gadhafi has done or not done i don't see that happening here on this program however the indictment does seem to legitimize it's not moral or morally allow the continued bombing of libya and i think that's the point that jim is getting at here but i think well you know we're going to you can you explain to me you know eac

government literally go i mean i mean it could be way worse that we know i mean so these embarrassing attacks and then there are the things that like we may not know about right so when anonymous doesn't attack they brag about it but the things you have to worry about of the people who do the attacks and don't want you to know and secondly it's entirely reasonable to think that some of these some of these defense department suppliers are or defense corporations know that they're the targets of attack and they're not telling either because why would they tell us this is not in their interest to tell us either not marrying his and so many interests at stake i wish we had time to talk about more of that and after second anonymous can get in there the way they can it seems like it's just the tip of iceberg for what very serious criminals could do you know if the government's doing anything about it or the right things there seem to be dropping like flies thanks for an alice. now just ahead right here are newly elected governor lands in our tool time segment over a half hour to keep presid

income here he's getting the pat down also i mean that's it's insane i mean. well that's your point and we had to just say i thought you were saying they were gathering as minders on the rumsfeld getting ok last question quick fire this is just you know one sentence yeah i keep asking people this and i could not get an answer can any one of the three of you name one shared sacrifice that the republicans are offering that they put on the table sure indeed in the ryan budget there they will that means testing social security and medicaid which would mean that wealthy people would not get the money to put in chris cuomo so the wealthy people lose a thousand dollars and i think i read somewhere that there was a writer proposed that they would write their cigars with five dollar bills on her car because that's that's a pretty big yeah that's actually look at the talk on the table now that there can be two trillion dollars cuts i think most republicans want six trillion they want a whole budget they were able to hold deficit seem to be paid off so and so i think len