ian katz, what does this day whh rupert murdochcalled the humblest day of his life. what does it change and where do we go from here? >> well, it's not a day we learn an awful lot of significant things. if anything the clearest lesson is wendy dang has a formidable right hook but it was a day of quite striking theatre i think. for in who sits in this country the idea of rupert murdoch who two weeks ago was the most powerful person.country being hauled into parliament to answer questions is prett pretty extraordinary and we had the dialog of him saying it was the humblest day of his lif that w pretty striking. the interesting thing is he and james murdoch came in saying sorry and contrition if you lied but the message was we're sorry but it wasn't else, was someone else's fault and that's the bit that will get tested over the next few weeks and months. >> charlie: they said it was people th are had trusted. >> it was other people. anyone but the people sitting there. we had an extraordinary day because though the focus was on the murdoch hearings we had hearings with

. >> on that point, your deputy editor, ian katz was quoted as saying that you were and the paper weressive about this story. how do you plead? >> well, i think you have to be, especially a story in which you don't get a clean wind to begin with. i think the lesson of this story all around is if everybody came out and fade attention to the story we wrote two years ago in july 2009, "news of the world" would still be alive and i think rebekah brooks would still be in her job and we wouldn't have this giant crisis. >> why do you think, alan, with a few exceptions, almost nobody in the british media did aggressively follow up your story? were some of these organizations perhaps afraid their own techniques might be looked at? >> well, that's what people say. i don't know. again, there was a moment when just before the british election the -- there was an employment tribunal which found that andy coulson presided over a culture of bullying at the "news of the world" and a former reporter was awarded a million dollars in damages. that's a staggering finding about a man who is just about to w