author and activist reverend jim wallace is the editor of "sojourners" magazine and his is a leading religious voice in political debate. jim, welcome. >> thanks, bob. >> there are two big questions that people are arguing about in this town. one is the debt ceiling, and the other is long-term. and it does seem that something has to be done now, but long-term, how do we bring the country's spending and taxes in line? you have beenorking very hard lobbyio potect government programs that help the poor. how are you doing? >> well, i think i'm happy with what we have seen so far. we started with a provocative question, what would jesus cut? that got attention to the question. then we fasted for almost a month in lent that brought more attention to it. then we formed a circle of protection and the roman catholic bishops, the salvation army, the national association of evangelicals and many people and not just the religious left re, butlmost everyone he saying thatou can't bance theudgetn t bac o the poorest people. i think that voice is now being heard. we have talked with republicans, dem

reverend jim wallace met with the president. he's here tonight. in "psycho talk" el rushbo is pushing another democratic conspiracy theory. and congressman allen west voted to cut social security for his constituents and for some listen he's still attacking debbie wasserman-shultz. >> 80%. 80% of americans do not want washington to lay a finger on medicare and medicaid. that's a heck of a number. you know the nfl is about ready to do a deal. if some nfl coach said my quarterback is going to hit 80% of his passes this year, they'll say holy smokes, we're going to win the whole thing. that is a huge number. this just isn't democrats. it's republicans, it's independents, the young, the old. black, white, blue, green, center. that's -- you can't have 80% without a strong mixture of all walks of life in america. we used this to show you how out of touch paul ryan was. i want the president of the united states to tell me what he doesn't understand about 80% of americans who don't want him to lay a finger on the social safety net that's been around since

one in attendance, the reference jim wallace, president and ceo of a group that campaigns for socialthe basis of biblical principles and he joins us this afternoon. hello, sir. >> hello, martin. >> the writer says in the epistles if anyone has material possessions and sees a brother or sister in need but has no pity on them, how account love of god be in that person? can i ask you this, how come so many of these politicians in washington claim to be devout christians and yet are determined to slash, cut, remove, the very programs that help the poor and seek to fight poverty? >> well, i love the commentator that starts with scripture. thank you very much. my wife is an anglican minister? your church of england. this is the issue. the deem is moving,al the ball is moving. we're saying for democrats and republicans there have to be principle, moral guidance here. we said in the meeting with the president, he quoted matthew chapter 25. e he said, the sacrifice cannot be borne by what he called the least of these. that's why we there. we're saying the principle of protecting the poorest a

jim wallace, president of the group behind the ads. good morning to you. and letting you listen and our viewers listen to part of one of your campaign ads running on christian radio in several states. >> the book of proverbs teaches where there is no leadership a nation falls and the poor aretioned while the rich have many friends. sadly congress has failed to heed these warnings and boehner is risking the health of our economy if america defaults on the debts, all to protect tax cuts for the rich and powerful. >> jim, let me bring you back in here. can it be a financial issue and a moral issue at the same time? >> well, it certainly is, t. j. a scircle of protection formed. we were all coming together to say that if you are protecting tax loopholes, corporate tax loopholes for the rich while shredding the safety net for the poor and that's a moral issue and religious issue. you have said how the world is watching, and we believe god is watching the debate, too, and god is looking for how the poor and most vulnerable will be treated in any find deal here.

i was so pleased that a long and dear friend named jim wallace, he's a lutheran pastor, was an advisor to the president, and just yesterday he brought in a group of ministers to help the president to make the moral decision as he struggles so hard to make the proper decision as it affects our budget and how we are going to reduce our deficit. but the things that he had cited like matthews, truly i tell you whatever you did for me that you did for me, the least of these brothers and sisters of mine you did for me. what it is is that whatever you have done to assist a poor person, or those who are not as strong physically and financially as you and i, that you really did this in a sense for jesus because you have done the right thing. and then he goes on to have something that sounds like statutes when it says, woe to those who fact unjust statutes and who write oppressive decrees. oppressive decrees. depriving the needy of judgment and robbing poor people of their rights. is health care a right? is social security a right? is decent housing, education, the pursuit of happiness, is all o

jim demint and assistant majority leader dick durbin. at 1:00, "this week," and another appearance by the head of the omb and minority whip, senator john kyl. at 2:00 p.m., chris wallaceks to herman cain, jim jordan, and the leading democrat on the budget committee, chris van hollen. again, omb director, lindsey gramm, and former new york mayor rudy guiliani. at 4:00 p.m., "face the nation" with bob schieffer, dick durbin, tom coburn, and marco rubio. is are brought to you as a public service. they begin at noon with "meet the press," 1:00 "this week,: cnn's "state of the union" at 3:00 p.m. listen to them on c-span radio, 90.1, 119 on xm, an iphone app, on your blackberry or cspanradio.org. >> this is the main reading room specifically set aside for research. do you know which photo they consider their most famous? you will find out answers about this unique library in a lacy spans original documentary, "the library of congress" airing monday night. we will tour the thomas jefferson building. we will show treasures found in the rare books and special collections including the original thomas jefferson library and presidential papers from george washington to calvin c

i have sat down earlier with "fox news sunday" chris wallace to get preview of his interview with jimvan hollen. you had a mini summit of your own. >> jim jordan, a lot of people may not know who he is, but the republican tuddy committee represents three-fourths, three-fourth of the house republican caucus are members. and also, chris van hollen, the top democrat on the house budget committee. i think that the biggest news is that a lot of people think that the mcconnell fall-back plan, allowing the president to take the heat and get his debt increase past the election without, at least with the possibility of no spending cuts at all is going to get through. jordan basically said over his dead body. he said i am not going to vote for it. and the house republican caucus won't vote for it, which raises the question will there be enough votes for that? if that, which is considered the fallback doesn't pass, i don't know where we are come august 2. >> that is a spirited debate. it continues. didn't get solved but see if we made inroads with the sides. you have someone who is turning out t

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wallace. good morning. >> chris: good morning, i wish you would cut a clip from jim jordan, the head of the republican studymittee who gave a strong defense of cut, cap and balance, and, his response specifically to what chris van hollen said, what, are you crazy, a bad idea to put a balanced budget amendment in the constitution? >> eric: that is the debate there. what will happen? >> chris: i don't know, you know, we keep think, i think in washington, that wiser heads will prevail and eventually they'll work out a deal, work out a compromise. because i have to say a lot of people think it would be very dangerous for the country, and dangerous for -- in terms of our financial standing, and also, very worrisome to a very weak recovery, if you didn't raise the debt ceiling by august 2nd. but, so far, i mean, there seems to be no give at all. and i understand this is on tv and that is different than what is going on behind private doors but the fact is, that this talk of cut, cap and balance, one of the questions i asked jim jordan, it may be a good, solid, idea and is almost certainly not going to become law,

wallace. it is crunch debt talks and neither side is backing down. with president obama and congressional republicans deadlocked . we'll get a read on where things stand from two house members . jim jordan chairman. house subcommittee and chris holland top democrat on the budget committee. it is a fair balance on fox news sunday . gop presidential race. we'll sit down with herman cain as we continue our series 2012 101 . all of the talk of default on august 2nd. the fault may be election day 2012. which party is gaining the upper hand with voters next we're. all right now on fox news sunday. hello again from fox news in washington. with just 16 days to go until our counselry reaches the debt limit. the ratings agencies downgrading the nation's credit. what deal is still possible . here to discuss the options are two house leaders. jim jordan is chairman . chris man holland top democrat on the budget committee. welcome back to fox news sunday. >> they will vote on cut, cap and balance and out line what it would be doing. you would cut the deficit next year and cap speppeding under 20 percent of the gdp and raise the debt sealing after congress passes a balanced budget. congressman