he's now the president of the national urban league, marc morial.lican governor of ohio, john kasich. the chairman and ceo of honeywell, david cote. chief analyst for mesirow diane swonk and host of "strategy session" on cnbc, david faber. governor kasich, your 20th appearance on "meet the press." >> is that right? >> you were house budget chairman, so you know what's going on. can you explain it to the rest of us? what is going on and how is this going to end? >> you know, you always -- i was budget chairman, one of the chief architects of the last time we balanced the budget in 1997. it always gets down to the end, but david, it's a matter of will. if both sides have a will to get this done, they'll get it done. >> do you see the will now? is it different than how it's been? >> look, it's always difficult to put a big deal together. is the will there? i think right now they're still talking past one another. but i have to tell you, in my state, where we faced an $8 billion deficit, we wiped it out, we eliminated it. here's the interesting thing --