tell you, except it was my understandingi had better not say it, but it was my understandingthat mr myler was appointed there by mr hinton to find out what the hell was going on, and that he commissioned that harbottle & lewis inquiry. that is my understanding of it; i cannot swear to the accuracy of it. >> thank you. >> i appeal for brevity, because we have been going for two hours now. >> i will be as brief as i can. to james murdoch, it is a mystery to us how sunday newspapers are run. i am very familiar with the engineering industry. could you try to paint a picture of a week's operation at the news of the world? at what period were you closely involved in controlling the news of the world? >> my involvement in the business is overseeing the region of europe and asia. just to be clear, in 2008, starting in the middle of december 2007, i was chief executive for europe and asia, our european television business and our asian television business as well as our uk publishing business, one title of which is the news of the world, so i cannot say that i was ever intimately involved with the

chapman at the time, along with mr. myler who testified to this effect, took reports from them and the opinion was clear that as to their review there was no additional illegality with respect to phone hacking in that file. after their review that was the opinion that was clear. and the company really rested on a number of things from then on. and i certainly know in 2009 when additional allegations came in the summer the company really rested on a handful of things. >> i wanted to move right up to date to what was discovered in the officers. what was discovered? >> so in 2010, after the civil litigations had put a spotlight, if you will to us, to the company, additional new evidence, new information that hadn't been there before, and the police investigation started off. one of the thins that was went back and looked at, i suppose it was in the spring by senior people at international was that file. it was relooked at, it was opened up and looked at, and it was very rapidly brought to our attention that this was something th