where i met people who told me that they had organized a free angela davis committee in delhi and in puneywhere i've gone in the world they tell me that there were people involved at that time, but it was because of that campaign that i was eventually freed. >> when you were sitting in a prison cell 40 years ago, did you see any of this happening, did you see getting out of the prison? >> well, i mean, it's interesting. i had a lot of hope. i was very optimistic and i retain that optimism. >> oh, really? after everything that's happened to you, incarcerations and being kicked out of a university you still retain hope? well, so much has happened. a lot of very positive changes have happened. black people are in places where we never would have been able to imagine. not only in the white house, right? >> yes. >> and we have a way of thinking about the relationship between race and class and gender and sexuality and nation and ability that would have boggled people's minds 40 years ago. so that to me is progress. that indicates that we've gone a lot further than i ever would have been able t