julian assange is the founder of wiki leaks. when he was interviewed on 60 minutes a few weeks ago he wrapped himself in the first amendment and said, quote, our founding values are those of the american revolution, those of jefferson and madison. julian assange may not know that our constitution was written in complete secrecy in philadelphia behind closed doors guarded by sentries and there were no leaks. some think of julian assange as a character from a steve larsen thriller, heyman who could be either a hero or villain in one of those swedish stories that makes hacker counterculture with high-level conspiracy and sex. he has become one of the most famous people in the world. there are four movies in production about julian assange. he is a fast-moving target. he moves through the country when he can. he is eccentric, volatile, an expert computer hacker turned anti secrecy crusaders. bill keller of the new york times said julian assange runs, quote, a secretive cadre of and try it secrecy vigilantes'. he is currently in engl

some of you read the fine print in the letter to assange threatening assange with prosecution for failing to give up information which itself is a crime, not just disclosing it, but having it without authorization. >> what do you think is the strategy to commute scooter's sentence to commuting rather than pardoning him? what's the difference? >> he remains a convicted felon with a communication rather than a pardon. he's a convicted felon and unable to practice law and forever be known as a convicted felon. the connotation lowered the sentence to whatever he was sentenced to, 10 years to nothing. i don't know. it's entirely political. >> can you believe something would ever be entirely political including this issue of first amendment rights. mr. turner, thank you so much for being with us today. [applause] g for more information visit the publisher's website, p3books.com and serge figures of speech. >> my attempt to answer a question that i was asked very frequently when i was talking about climate change, particularly after i'd written the book in 2005, and that question was what are ou

we saw that with julian assange wanting to keep things private. my wife and i have been in china again for the last couple of months, and it's interesting the exact same rationale, the chinese authorities use the exact same rationale for their very, very sweeping suppression going on right now as serious members of the u.s. government would do, namely that if these details were freely disseminated, public order would be threatened, etc. so the basic foundation of the first amendment and the checks and balances system is that there should be some check on institutions that want to preserve information, and so we see benefits in the transparency that wikileaks in some cases is able to provide. the bads, i think, are equally obvious but worth elaboration. unless you are willing to make a total nihilist type argument, then you can see the dangers here. in addition to the real world cases that jeff was just giving, we can think of a few other thought experiments. suppose, for example, in the recent dump of afpak documentses, there was tracking informat

napster was a little more careful than julian assange was. now billions of dollars are being spent so it will become extremely inconvenient if you are part of the national security establishment and there will be no cd-roms allowed in your secured area, in which case you will bring your iphone and do your real work outside. all this is to say the government has ways, because the government is meant to live in a bubble to take the really big secrets and categorize them in a way that it doesn't get shared with a bunch of people. not much to see here. ok. the thing the government -- one hopes the government would be learning from this s. that just as we are asking members of the government to identify much of the project that they should keep the secrets, even if there were a way to leak them, there ought to be a way to importune our citizens scompentities around the world to be enough of an identity with the government that they have an interest -- no interest in spewing osama bin laden's information, even if it were available. i think we can g

government would do as if julian assange leak. if these details were freely disseminated it would be bad for everyone. public order would be threatened, et cetera. the basic foundation. first amendment and checks and balances system there should be some check on institutions that want to preserve information and so we see benefits in the transparency that wikileaks in some cases is able to provide. the bad i think are equally obvious but worth elaboration. unless you are willing to make a total nihlist type argument that know information of any sort should be secret in any circumstance then you concede the dangers here. in addition to the real world cases that jeff was just giving we can think of a few other thought experiments. suppose for example, in the recent dump of afpac documents there was tracking information where usama bin laden had been hanging out and this had been gestated over some time that could have been leaked? as opposed there were dealings underway now to ease moammar gadhafi out of libya. i would argue those a

he was troubled by the reckless of assange's releases. he worried that assange did not engage in the basic procedures that he misleadingly promised to engage in, blacking out names to protect innocent afghans. he was appalled when assange proposed getting paid directly. he called this an ebay four weeks. repeatedly refused to make transparent.nances assange kate him out of the organization because he would not tolerate any criticism, and he gave a reason, disloyalty, insubordination, and the this the bill is a nation -- and destabilization in a time of crisis. on the legal question, we are all lawyers. [unintelligible] first amendment purposes, julian assange should not be prosecuted. there is no principled way of distinguishing between wikileaks and "the new york times." you can only ban speech that poses an imminent threat of action. that is not a standard that wikileaks can meet. a four said they read that the effect of the leaks on cables was modest. wikileaks did not break the law when it published the diplomatic cables. efforts to a

eventually assange kicked him out.he is being prosecuted. now we are all lawyers. [laughter] >> the question is answered. first first amendment purposes is that julian assange should not be prosecuted. there is no principled way between differentiating between wikileaks and "the new york times." secretary of defense robert gates, the former secretary wrote the effect of the leaks on u.s. dip nationalic stables b tables was varely modest. in an effort to expand the wikileaks are troubling. senator joe lieberman has called to allow the prosecution of publishers. lieberman has sort of risen as the bain mitch pell-palmer of this case. what is the alternative? if prosecution is not an option, the option is open leaks. a generally neutral platform for whistle blowers that avoid the trap of becoming pop stars like assange. wikileaks is not a publishing platform. it allows whistle blowers to deposit anonymously and specify

it is not all that like napster than assange, eccentric as he is/was. it will become extremely inconvenient to use anything to process secret stuff and there will be no cd-rom's involved at which point you bring your iphone and do your work outside. the government has ways. they're trying to keep the bubble protected to take the really big secrets and categorize them in a way that does not get shared with 1 million people. nothing to see here. the thing people hold the government is learning is coming just as we are asking members of the government to identify a project that they could it keep secrets, there ought to be a way to importune are entities around the world to be in identity with the world so they have no interest in spewing bin laden's location somewhere. i think we can get there. how do you create establishment where you see enough trust of the people in releasing habitually secret information. i identify someone to say, "i am the government and i think there's not enough classification." but its figure of a way to get the stuff process sta

i wrote an op-ed for the financial times saying do not prosecute julian assange. main reason not to prosecute is it treats the cause rather than a symptom. the real cause is how to manage government data sources. like george bundy have a wonderful statement in which he said if you treat toothpaste and diamonds the same way, you are going to lose fewer toothbrushes but a lot more diamonds. that is where we should be responding to this wiki leaks thing and we are not. are fully agree with that. i have response i want to ask jeff about in response to my column that was a legal response to your lawyers. you cannot distinguish julian assange from the new york times in terms of stolen property. you can't prosecute. that would be a terrible first amendment flaw. this lawyer said you can if you look at the espionage act, if there is an intent to harm you can prosecute. if you look at julian assange's writings, he moves gradually to becoming more like a journalist but in his early writings he is much clearer that he wants to do harm to the u.s. government. so this lawyer s

one of the landmark images for two thousand and ten but it doesn't matter what we think of julian assange is just that we can because did not exist before and it does now and it has given a new perspective to reality and one morsels of getting information not only throughout its fifty four year history the world press photo contest was mostly about revolutions violent uprisings and lemaitre disasters but there are always images ones i can reach the pawn next to the brutal pictures which make most of the daily news images of beauty and tranquillity of nature look exceptionally fridge. so you don't consider yourself to be a journalist or a campaigner whatever your age or you're just a photographer for me i feel as a photographer. can move through in the documentary world the magazine world. i feel that you know my work isn't totally journalistic in a way after i also bring something of myself into the world but when i work with photographers here in television our i always try to tell them you're not just taken your journal your reporters to you do your journalistic work i do it with a pen

so going to stock markets now in asia is mixed the hang assange is gaining point six percent well it was gaining one point two last time we looked at it so it's losing its momentum fresh concerns about the european economy are weighing on investor sentiment following disappointing quarterly euro zone and german growth reports the nikkei is down half a percent driven down by financials with mitsui with one point two percent lower exporters also russia and tokyo this is the opening picture in europe and the foot sea as the dogs are shedding massively at the opening forty one point two percent of blacks one point seven percent around twenty five minutes after the opening investors are disappointed with the lack of action coming out of chinese these meetings between bangalore merkel and nicolas sarkozy. and listening to look at can russia finally end the middle positive sentiment that we saw at the very opening of trading has now gone and the audience is down one percent of my six point eight. the sense look at some of the main movers on the gas from used to gary now it's down half a per

better cover -- i'm happy that these newspapers work with wikileaks, now one has turned against julian assange but they keep publishing stories based on wikileaks, and they say they'll withhold information if the president asks them to. you have to start questioning, who are they working for? government watchdog or government lap dog. >> you can watch everything you do on rt? >> yes. >> meaning the internet in case people can't see it. but you can also -- rt has an aggressive pitch they make they want people in the media to use their stuff, their clips and all. do you find people using it in our media around the country? >> yes, i don't know how aggressive their pitch is when it comes to -- >> i picked it up, they encourage you to go to the website and use the material. >> why not, right? why not have as many people put their eyes on it and actually see it and hear it and feel it as possible? >> let me show an rt network promo, it's only 26 seconds, what they tell their audience every day. >> we have an apartheid regime here in america. >> i think barack obama is beatable in 2012. >> when the

worked with wikileaks at first, but the way that the new york times has now turned against julian assangeand yet, they keep writing stories based on the information that's been leaked by wikileaks and they play this very cozy game with the government as well where they will withhold information if the president asks them to. i think that all of that has to make you start questioning who they're really working for: government watchdog or government lapdog. >> you can watch everything you do on rt? >> yes. >> meaning the internet in case people can't see it? but you can also you have rt has an aggressive pitch that they make that people they want people in the media to use their stuff, their clips and all. do you do you find people using it in our media around the country? >> yes. i don't know how aggressive their pitch is when it comes to other people using their clips. >> well, you just hear it on the air. i mean, i picked it up. i said, you know, "they encourage you to go to their website and use the material." >> because why not? right? why not have as many people put their eyes on it a

the document dumping organization run by julian assange has published almost 134,000 diplomatic cablesnteresting than newly published cables include the names of american diplomatic sources whose identities were supposed to remain secret. the more reckless document leaks seen as a tantrum by assange because media attention of wikileaks has died down and the tsa releasing photos of animals people have tried to smuggle through u.s. airports. the latest incident, two birds wrapped in socks taped to the chest of a woman who tried to sneak them on a flight from los angeles to china. >> a magician? >> you'd think. in miami, a guy got busted with seven snakes in his pants. >> ok. >> ok. along with three small turtles, those reptiles all wrapped in women's stockings. there's a lot going on here in this man's pants. and discovered by a body scanner. well, i'm happy the tsa is discovering these things, ok? i think that's silver lining. >> because you'd hate to have snakes on a plane. >> right. or snakes in your pants. >> right. listen to this, there's nothing to hate about rick perry's candidacy

it's not certain that ferc said last week i did for the new republic i go back and assange should become a literary movement for building the infrastructure and the commercial companies and because that movement is already moving you do see a lot of projects which want to remain the man management system or the made a payment system for the posting system so many of them are emerging to the great extent because of the reaction of the u.s. government. people have understood that it is probably not safe to have the u.s. government be the most powerful country of the internet and have american companies be the most powerful intermediaries because once someone crosses the government would be able to pursue them to the american companies. so there are a lot of interesting bottom-up project which seeks to address that so it may be to work more on those projects the infil weeks itself so all sorts of options, their usefulness remains the same. >> you actually point out a very interesting -- we haven't talked that much, we talked about the u.s. peace of this, but what are the consequences of loo

homeland security using the patriot act to order wikileaks to provide information on founder julian assanges they release 100,000 more documents. some of the u.s. embassy cables still classified and a key hearing today in the case against accused tucson gunman jared loughner. the man accused of shooting congresswoman gabrielle giffords. prosecutors want a judge now to stop his defense team from issuing subpoenas to his relatives. the defense wants to find out if mental illness runs in his family. over to you, steve. >> thank you very much, ainsley. new york city mayor michael bloomberg said it was ok when an atheist group wanted to sue over the world trade center memorial cross. it was found in the rubble. and he defends the right to build a so-called mosque at ground zero. but if he's so quick to defend the rights of others, why is he banning religious leaders from taking part in the september 11th memorial ceremony next month. joining us right now from washington, d.c. is the catholic league president, bill donahue. good morning to you. >> good morning, how are you doing, steve? >> great

it's not certain that ferc said last week i did for the new republic i go back and assange should becomea literary movement for building the infrastructure and the commercial companies and because that movement is already moving you do see a lot of projects which want to remain the man management system or the made a payment system for the posting system so many of them are emerging to the great extent because of the reaction of the u.s. government. people have understood that it is probably not safe to have the u.s. government be the most powerful country of the internet and have american companies be the most powerful intermediaries because once someone crosses the government would be able to pursue them to the american companies. so there are a lot of interesting bottom-up project which seeks to address that so it may be to work more on those projects the infil weeks itself so all sorts of options, their usefulness remains the same. >> you actually point out a very interesting -- we haven't talked that much, we talked about the u.s. peace of this, but what are the consequences of look

and the state department cables, was not just rhetoric about trying to harass or assassinate julian assangebut the external factors that amounted to extra-legal censorship. a imagine if when the pentagon papers were being published by "the new york times" that the nixon administration would go after the paper suppliers and sit are you going to keep going -- selling paper to the new york times? that is effectively what senator joe lieberman did in going after companies like amazon and paypal. it is exactly the wrong response, because it is the boy putting his finger in the dike. the flood is will we have to deal with. i would argue that when we try to suppress information in this age, we make it more valuable and interesting. it is called the barbara streisand effect. that is when she got upset because they they geological survey of the california coastline which it because of a geological survey of the california coast line was public -- because a geological survey of the california coast line was published, and she sued to get the pictures of her house removed. all that did was make people