king learned from howard thurman and benjamin mayes at morehouse college. and that it's never appropriate to dehumize or demonize your opponent. we must always recognize their humanity and recognize their self-interest and try to appeal to that. that's why king was such a genius as a moral leader. he confronted, but he balanced that with negotiation. and today all i hear from so many of our public officials, religious leaders, media commentators is confront, confront and polarize. dr. king says no you've gone overboard and there's another side to balancing this for the common good. >> one of the points of contention in the debate over this monument has been the whole issue of separation of church and state and the dedication of something to someone who is not just not even a president but also at his core was a baptist minister. talk a little bit about it in that context. >> well, you put your finger on a fascinating question because we've grappled for the past decade and a half with the question of church and state and the appropriate presence of religion