news doesn't like black people let me show you my last piece of documentation to prove the point fox news fox news is just being fox news. i'm not saying that he doesn't like white people i'm saying he has a problem he has a this guy is i believe a racist mr obama you've decided that chugging a few forty's and rediscover your irish is more important than a presidential visit to a community trying to figure out what just hit them i mean the dinner dictator mr obama shares a laugh with one of africa's kleptocrats the first time he said i heard him in the house. all right so the clips that we just played out on the hip-hop barbecue had line i think we've made a pretty strong convincing and compelling case that fox news is trying to tell us something our president is black and that apparently is very very bad so for that we're giving fox news tonight's tool time award for their ridiculously races hip hop barbecue headline. but we keep talking to average americans that are angry frustrated fed up with their government and today we actually have some new polls to show just how much that discontent has g

fox news. >> bret: remind they're the fox news debate cosponsored by the washington g.o.p. and examiner is thursday 9:00 p.m. eastern time. >>> coming up, movie about the bin laden mission may be foretu to us for president -- fortuitous for the president obama's administration. obama's administration. and does also get a free flight. you know that comes with a private island. really? no. it comes with a hat. you see, airline credit cards promise flights for 25,00miles, but... [ man ] there's never any seats for ,000 miles. frustrating, isn't it? but that won't happen with the capital one venture card. you can book any airline anytime. hey, i just said that. after all, isn't traveling hard enough? ow. [ male announcer ] to get the flights you want, sign up for a venture card at capitalone.com. what's in your wallet? uh, it's okay. i've played a pilot before. >> bret: now fresh picking from the political grapevine. former white house economic advisor christina romer does not sound as unny and upbeat as she used to when working for the obama administration. she was known for her glass half full approach to economic news. but asked on friday she told hbo bill maher it was a sign that the country was pretty darn -- blank. expletive. he attributeed it to tim geithner who says swears like a 7-year-old boy. a new blog featured on the smithsonian's website getk attention for the wrong reasons. the department of innovation describes it as being about people and ideas that will likely shape the way we will live one day. the logo features three interlocking years that could not turn and rotate properly. a user noted that the gears are imminentize # and representative the opposite of innovation. it does accurately reflect the state of our nation's capitol, but that is hardly innovation. i recommend shifting gears. finally hollywood take on the navy seal mission that killed usama bin laden is scheduled to come out in october of next year. less than a month before the presidential election. columnist maureen dowd write writes -- the movie makers are getting top level access to the most classified mission in history. ♪ top story at the bottom of the hour, brutal day on wall street as investors get the first chance to react to the downgrading of the s&p on friday. the credit rating. the dow jones/industrials average plunged 635 points to fall below 11,000. the s&p 500 lost 80. the nasdaq fell 175. the downgrade is seen as repudiation of partisan fighting in washington. but chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel tells us there are more battles ahead. >> s&p's decision to downgrade the credit rating sets the stage for bruising political fights over fiscal matters this fall. president obama says he hopes the downgrade leads to greater political will in washington. >> my hope is friday's news will give us a sense of urgency. i intend to present my recommendations in the coming weeks on how we should procee proceed. >> paul ryan said house republicans did their part and was not surprised by the s&p action. >> because washington has not gotten the fiscal house in order. to me, this is vindication of the action. we passed a budget according to somebody from s&p to prevent it from happening in the first place. >> this puts pressure on the super committee of 12 lawmakers. the job is to find $1.5 trillion in cuts as part of the debt compromise, but ryan says it could be difficult to achieve if democrats are unwilling to address entitlement. >> i don't think they will find a full fix to republics because democrats never want to put the healthcare bill on the table. >> joe lieberman says he hopes the supercommittee will do what congress failed to do in the debt fight. >> take on the entitlement spending, 60% of the federal budget. if we don't deal with that, we can't balance the federal books. >> another battle in september is to avoid the government shutdown on october 1. none of the annual spending bill has been signed to law. to suggest short-term resolution is likely. >> the government is to choose and government resolution is a way to not choose. ultimate failure. >> reform the tax code is mentioned as well. cutting out special interest and loopholes will require more political cooperation than recent battle would suggest is possible. mike emanuel, foxs. >> bret: fox news learn the banking economy is looking to the circumstances that led standard & poor's to downgrade the country's credit rating last week. no indications that the committee launched a formal probe. >>> the house of representatives is pulling the plug on its page program. speaker boehner and nancy pelosi informed members today they cite is cost of program and advances in technology to supplant many duties of pages. we will talk about what happened with the market and president obama's comments when the fox all-stars join me in the break. while we're away check out jonathan serrie's report on what the abandon boats tell us about the economy on the home page. foxnews.com/specialreport. >>> we didn't need a rating agency to tell us gridlock in washington in the last several months has not been constructed to say the least. we knew from the outset that a prolonged debate over the debt ceiling, where threat of default used as a bargaining chip could do damage to the econom

news so we go to c.n.n. and they're doing some kind of documentary headline news is doing some other show. is doing something about prisoners at fox news there's fox news there in iowa there live. mike huckabee and a couple of other people we set there a washer for about forty minutes and never once was ron paul's name and yet he had only come about two hundred votes short of being the winner the winner i mean never once was his name mentioned and have he won i think i have been called useless perhaps or inaccurate or not as important as it was made out to be part fox in the weeks preceding but why fox i mean i thought fox was this bastion of ultra hard right and i mean ron paul wants to end social security wants to end medicare he wants to end and you know subsidize public education across the country i mean basically all the programs that the that those so-called hard right are gung ho for i mean yes i refer to libertarians as as republicans want to smoke. up and get laid right i want to decriminalize pot and right and sex which is fine with me but you know you would think that setting those things aside parties would become helpful i think the

called news has universal health care and their full time employees as well and here's another little secret most of the production crew is over at fox news are yes what unionized that's right fox news actually supports unions despite what you may hear there talking heads say on the airways one of those unionized cameramen and sound engineers get to sit a rupert murdoch's corporate board like the socialized nations of germany austria the netherlands italy norway sweden and denmark where union workers are required of were union workers are required by law to make up as much as af of all the members of major corporate boards. if not they will be soon made you see it once you cut through all the right wing noise in the socialist accusations thrown at president obama and democrats by fox so-called news talking heads it becomes pretty clear fox news is a bunch of pinko commies after all they make their money using our commons our cable and airwaves and air rights away for all three million or pinko commies that's it but still it pinko commies so the question has to be why is european socialism good for those who work for rupert murdoch but not for everyone else. that's the big picture fo

fox news. today he was given a raise at fox news as a result. fox news handed him a new three- year contract thursday morning in a deal that announced in nearly $2 million. it is a considerable bump up from his previous salary. the chief executive said he is an honest man. his freedom of speech is protected by fox is on a daily basis. if you mean freedom of speech in a legal sense, constitutional, let's be clear. and this is not a first amendment issue. juan williams has the right constitutionally to say anything that he once. all of us do. the first amendment does not guarantee you a paid job as a commentator to say what you want. your employment as a person paid to speak is knockinat the pleasf your employer. at least one of his employers [unintelligible] this comment did not live with one of the people who was paying mr. williams to say what he thinks. juan williams lost that job. this is not a first amendment issue. this is an issue of what your employer is ok with. at fox news and not only isn't ok to talk about muslims being scary on airplanes

fox news, come on. how would lincoln have handled fox news? how would roosevelt have handled fox news? how would ronald reagan of handle fox news? it is a cacophony in this country. we are not about sensible solutions are sensitive solutions. we are about who has the noise of the day. it is daily noise, not daily news. we need to in this society sit back and -- he is an honorable man. he is an honest man. america would do itself and in justice not to re-elect him. that is my own view. >> i like the image of how would lincoln have handled fox news. how would lbj have handled foxman uzbeks -- fox news? >> you would of had to of had a fourth screen in the office. >> in the back, the gentleman who has not had a chance yet. i thought you had before. we will get to you. >> mr. brand touched on it briefly. you guys must have been talking about how barack obama has been defining himself. i feel that historically barack obama is unique in that he has been almost as defined by the opposition as he has been defined by himself. he is trying to present himself as a diplomatic figure, but there have

a few bucks we could get paul ryan to wear a spiked bondage collar next then he goes on fox news i hear fox news viewers are into that sensational stuff you know or how about all the lady gaga fans in america good paul ryan five bucks and i'll wear a meat suit to the state of the union next year the possibilities are really endless war more seriously going to be great if we could at least pay off paul ryan to write legislation that benefits the country and not just as deep pocketed corporate donors currently there are forty seven million senior citizens depending on medicare if they each send a dollar and maybe paul ryan would drop his crusade to privatized medicare is also officially fourteen million americans who are out of work maybe if they just pitched in fifty cents paul ryan would buck his party and sponsored legislation to extend unemployment benefits for the shot right. well here's the only problem we have to get in line after these people and a guy here who's buying two three hundred dollars bottles of wine for his dinner with paul ryan is clifford assonance who started up a thirty fiv

reiterate, fox's own rules call for an average of 1% in five national polls, and the 2% showing in the most recent harris poll gets him there, but fox news knows that fred karger is openly gay and fox newst about to let an openly gay presidential candidate in a republican debate. but fox news will allow this man in the debate, former fox news contributor rick santorum, who polls 50% lower than fred karger in the harris interactive poll. santorum, of course, is not openly gay, but he is deeply confused about human sexuality and has left many of us concerned for his mental health when he finds himself irresistibly drawn into discussions of gay life. here's santorum's latest meanderings on same-sex marriage. >> i can call this napkin a paperer towel, but it is a napkin. why? because it is what it is. right? >> okay, this is the american politician at his worst, right? when a politician is trying to go all kitchen table on you and pretending to know the price of milk or what we do with napkins and paper towels. that's the way they try to sound connected to us, but it always makes them sound completely alien. only a politician could think there's some big difference between a napkin and a pa

fox so-called news department of education released a cartoon featuring sponge bob to teach kids about carbon pollution and global warming so of course fox news went into full attack mode. government agency showed kids this cartoon it can it outputs that playing man for global warming but they did not tell kids that that is actually a disputed fact. because it's not an excuse fact correction at least not anywhere else in the developed world except on fox news and fox so-called news is trying their hardest to keep them and the very very ugly herman cain republican who's running for president on a platform of fear in muslim you're for it be very afraid it seems also to be running on a platform of economic support for honduras turns out herman cain for president t. shirts his campaign is selling for thirty bucks a pop. are not made here in the united states made instead of honduras i suppose that's not too unreasonable considering almost nothing is baby u.s. any more besides cruise missiles and tanks but what isn't reasonable is cain's response when a reporter asked if he should switch to campaign gear that is made in the u.s. instead. to pieces and the reason why somebody would want me to change a change in the because someone says it's made out sent to the united states alone isn't a reason so if i have a compelling reason yes but i don't know compelling reason no i guess overtime percent unemployment in america is not a compelling rea

but there is a new fox news poll out, just today. 3% of respondents to our fox news poll volunteered your name as their choice for president. more support than tim pawlenty, rick santorum and jon huntsman. the question is are you coming back to get back in? >> well, the question is what is wrong with the rest of 297% that did not name -- rest of the 97% that did not name nein the poll? that's what hurts my feeling. at 3% i'd hardly call it a stinging mandate to jump back in things. i am frankly looking forward to being part of the process, but this time from the sidelines. it will be an interesting perspective that i'll be able to have, having been there just four years ago in the midst of it. this time, being able to observe that really is a very unique piece of political theater in america. one that i think a lot of people don't fully comprehend. what this is going to show is not just who can organize people but who has the intensity of organization. that can actually get people to drive hundreds of miles and spend all day on the campus of the college voting for someone in an electi

fox news debate to the crucial saturday straw poll, the stables are high. we'll ask our sunday panel who has the most to win and lose in iowa. all right now. on fox news sunday. hello again from fox news in washington. before we get to the economy, we want to bring you the latest on this terrible story out of afghanistan. insurgents shot done a u.s. military helicopter saturday, killing 38, including 22 favre very seals, from the same unite -- 22 navy seals from the same unit that took down bin laden. >> reporter: this is a devastating blow to the small tight-knit community of special operations forces in afghanistan. the single deadliest day for american troops since the war started 10 years ago. taliban were quick to claim responsible. saying they shot it down with a rocket propelled grenade. details are sketchy. it appears the for was beginning to launch a raid southwest of kabul when a taliban rocket did take this helicopter down. in recent months the u.s. military in kabul has been fond of saying they wrestled the momentum from the taliban this attack is all the more evidence that the taliban are still capable of launching attacks against u.s. and afghan forces. chris, this

fox news debate to the crucial saturday straw poll, the stables are high. we'll ask our sunday panel who has the most to win and lose in iowa. all right now. on fox news sunday. hello again from fox news in washington. before we get to the economy, we want to bring you the latest on this terrible story out of afghanistan. insurgents shot done a u.s. military helicopter saturday, killing 38, including 22 favre very seals, from the same unite -- 22 navy seals from the same unit that took down bin laden. >> reporter: this is a devastating blow to the small tight-knit community of special operations forces in afghanistan. the single deadliest day for american troops since the war started 10 years ago. taliban were quick to claim responsible. saying they shot it down with a rocket propelled grenade. details are sketchy. it appears the for was beginning to launch a raid southwest of kabul when a taliban rocket did take this helicopter down. in recent months the u.s. military in kabul has been fond of saying they wrestled the momentum from the taliban this attack is all the more evidence that the taliban are still capable of launching attacks against u.s. and afghan forces. chris, this

fox news sunday.com. we'll post the video before noon eastern time. we'll be back with a special program note. that's it for today. i will see on monday on the fox news channel for a special report and check out a special hour on the former vice-president. dick cheney revealed airos foxews channel. have a great week. chris wallace will be back for the next fox news sunday.

fox news dos -- or fox news radio .com and click on "red eye." we talked about our good friend gavin degraw and hope he is doing well and resting up. >>> owning a satellite dish is a human right. the ruling falls to a case in sweden where two cases werey evicted by their landlord. the court ruled that the european governments are obligated to protect people's rights to receive information which could include broadcasts of religious services. bob, do you think this is a right? >> of course it is a right. >> how could it be a right? j dowdy serve to have a satellite dish? >> you have to pay for. it right? >> no, you don't have a right. do you have a right to have one? >> in this person's building, you candy mand to have one. >> my nose is running. this is the third one i had put in. i want to apologize first of all. i lost all of my 30s and most of my 40s and i am sit buying a dangerous man. >> i'm sure he was in the hotel and you were doing lines and he was talking about the latest in madonna scbru just staring at -- and you were just staring at him. >> you are that guy. >> i am that guy. >> he was the one who got to you your flight on time jie. to disney world. >> you know you are asking for it. you really r. i am saying nice things scpru to but in. that's your job, but in and dump on the guests. >> pab, do you have any thoughts on this stupid, stupid story? >> none whatsoever. the thing is people who have cable in their houses and then you go to the bars for the dish. you don't want to hurt the bars. the bars have satellite. >> spoken like a girl from queens. >> rights are essentially meaning less. >> this is a property rights thing. if you are in a housing development you have agreed to be there and the law is that you can't have these satellite dishes, no, you shouldn't be allowed to have them. it is a property rights thing. if the landlord who owns this thing and part of the lease is you are not allowed to have satellite dishes, no, are you not allowed to. you signed the lease. >> i never followed a lease in my life. >> well, you have a new lease on life. >> i don't remember any of them. >> is this a conspiracy to get people to watch more soccer? >> perhaps. >> and look where that has gotten us. gooooal. the only time i have had use for a satellite is if i wake up on a roof and need to shield myself from some rain. that is a basic human right. >>er ugly. -- they are ugly. if i had a building i was renting i wouldn't let them have one. they are unsightly things like those stupid wind mills they have on mountains. bob just sneezed on me. >> sorry, man. >>> we will close things out -- >> it is nasal abuse. >> it is the post game wrap up with tv's andy levy. to see clips of recent shows foxnews.com/redeye. >>> at 5:00 p.m. eastern on "the five" coming up tomorrow, appearances from criminal defense attorney remy spencer and fox news national security analyst kt mcfarland. i am liking that music, andy. >> i like it too. it is a little toolish. >> it is in my face. >> speaking of tools it is time for your post game wrap up. >> what is the good, the bad and the god awful? >> it is a collection of movie reviews have i written. there it is. it is over the last like seven years coming out november 8th. >> that's exciting. >> thank you for asking. >> can they pre order it? >> i think they can. if you bring it up again, the graphic ?r -- the graphic? >> let's not push it with the graphic. >> amazon? >> november 8th. >> kurt, every time they put the graphic up, less face time for me. don't like it. pab, what is your son up to? >> well today he was at a horse show and he came in third. so that was fun. >> a horse show? >> a horse show. >> that sounds strange. >> so confused by this. how did he beat the other horses? >> do you want to extrapolate? >> he was riding the horse. is that clear enough? >> i am still not clea

fox news alert as we near high noon on fox news. we take you out to illinois to an air force base. a suspicious package online a base. three people had to be taken to a hospital and a dozen others had to be decontaminated. the base is on stand by. what we november the package is limited. the package was in the mail building. what that situation is and the details of it we do not know at this time. the mail building along with four or five other buildings are closed and evacuated. there is an announcement going out over the loudspeaker on the base warning folks to stay away from the post office and the west side of the base. so a developing situation. you have a suspicious package, three people sent to the hospital, a dozen others that are apparently having to go through some sort of decontamination. as we hear more from the scott air force base we will bring you those developments. we'll keep you up to date on that breaking news everybody. we're so glad you are with us i'm jenna lee. gregg: i'm greg jarrett in for jon lee. a brand-new hour. jenna: we have new flood dangers that are really affecting the east coast as the east coast tries to recover from hurricane irene. you have vermont days after irene slammed the state where national -- i should say national guard ground crews are still trying to reach one town completely cut off by the floodwaters. people there have no food, no water no powers. much needed supplies are being airlifted into the state. gregg: the connecticut river cresting to the highest level in 20 years. 370 folks are still in the dark. jenna: in new jersey the passack river rising dangerous rehigh forcing a new round of evacuations and rescues in patterson, that's the state's third largest city. another of the hardest hit towns is little falls. joining us on the phone is lieutenant salvatore recalifurri, second in command at the police department. what is the lathess and where do you stand right now. >> right now we are still at extreme flood stage. our latest reading at the passack river gauge is 10.7 inches. we are still at least a foot higher than what we were in the springtime. we still have quite a ways to go as the water recedes. the water is receding, it's receding slowly but it is receding. we still have about 500 homes affected or more possibly affected by this flood. jenna: you say one of the most challenging things right now is just keeping people away. why is that such an issue for you right now? >> is just makes the relief efforts that much easier. as onlookers come, as traffic goes by, it just makes the relief effort that much more difficult for us. jenna: i'm sure people are anxious to get back to their homes when they start seeing a little bit of improvement. >> they can't wait to get back to their homes. jenna: we can all understand that. lieutenant have you ever seen anything like this in your time with the police department. >> not this bad. this is our 7th flood in seven years -- no, 6th flood in seven years, and this is the worst its been since 1903. jenna: what's the game plan? over the next couple of days what are you trying to achieve? >> over the next couple of days we want to maintain saourt in our area. we just want to assist the people however they need to be assisted, and we want to keep -- our biggest concern is keeping our residents safe. jenna: lieutenant, what do you think of the response so far? governor chris christie has been out in front really talking about the damage to the state. you have the department of homeland security secretary visiting the state, overall on a local level, how do you feel about the response? >> the response has been excellent. locally we've had great help from the passack county offices and rapid deployment team. they have sent us their officers to help us out with whatever our needs are, with equipment and personnel. jenna: that is good news. >> the assistance we've got even politically and amongst our own personnel has been incredible. jenna: our hats off to you. i know your crew has certainly been working around-the-clock there. >> yes we have, thank you. jenna: we appreciate it as well as we watch our fellow citizens go through something like this. thank you for joining us today, sir. >> thank you very much. gregg: foxews alert, we have just learned that the president of the united states has requested a joint session of congress at 8:00pm on september 7th to layout his plan to create jobs, grow the economy and reduce the deficit. very few details of the president's forthcoming plan are known but they are said to include a mix of spending as well as eliminating some tax breaks and loopholes. but you can bet there is a whole lot more to it. a special joint session of congress, 8:00pm on september 7th to layout his jobs plan. in the meantime controversy is swirling now over comments made by a top member of president obama's administration, the labor secretary. hilda solis is apparently saying that all workers have, and this is a quote, the right to a legal wage whether they enter the u.s. legally or not, whether they are here legally or not. so liz making those comments at assigning of a new labor packet between the united states and latin america. >> reporter: this week labor secretary soliz held an

wasn't covering it wasn't doing news news anymore and i seem to see it wasn't doing it was a prisoner show but there was fox sure rest of america turns to fox right and for the next forty minutes they would live in iowa nobody mentioned the name ron paul i mean literally they were talking about the first place in the third place and fourth place and you know so any of what you think of this phenomena and what do you think about the whole the whole thing of the media ignoring ron paul particularly republican media sure when it comes to fox news you would think that rand paul ron paul's son was the product of immaculate conception because you rarely ever hear about ron paul on fox news i'm not a paul fan and i'll tell you why he's got a lot going for him politically he raises a good amount of money he has a lot of ardent excited supporters and he's read only a couple issues and it's far as i'm concerned but the man's career is one checkered with racism it's checkered with positions such as not supporting the one thousand nine hundred sixty four civil rights act so i'm not somebody who would support democrats voting for somebody like that he's

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"the five" coming up tomorrow, appearances from criminal defense attorney remy spencer and foxews national security analyst kt mcfarland. i am liking that music, andy. >> i like it too. it is a little toolish. >> it is in my face. >> speaking of tools it is time for your post game wrap up. >> what is the good, the bad and the god awful? >> it is a collection of movie reviews have i written. there it is. it is over the last like seven years coming out november 8th. >> that's exciting. >> thank you for asking. >> can they pre order it? >> i think they can. if you bring it up again, the graphic ?r -- the graphic? >> let's not push it with the graphic. >> amazon? >> november 8th. >> kurt, every time they put the graphic up, less face time for me. don't like it. pab, what is your son up to? >> well today he was at a horse show and he came in third. so that was fun. >> a horse show? >> a horse show. >> that sounds strange. >> so confused by this. how did he beat the other horses? >> do you want to extrapolate? >> he was riding the horse. is that clear enough? >> i am still not clear.

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news crew the fox host did not call him in the fox news group that you just played he did not call him a social asked whether was whether he was a socialist there is a difference a small difference but it's come on but the larger point is that why doesn't work buffett who is not a socialist i agree and i think i believe is a capitalist and it's very successful one at that why doesn't he write a check to the government and give proceeds give a lot of his money like he wants to without forcing other people you know both know that's a cheap shot it's not a decision i shot it was not a cheap shot but what it is are a completely irrelevant to the issue he said that's like that's like you know you saying well you know i'm opposed to government regulations and i say well why don't you go out and write some different i mean that is not the point it's not because i actually has a tell you if you guys are both agreed to it or not socialism has billionaires to pay the same same tax rates as their secretaries is it not un-american to defend the idea the billionaires should pay after that every two weeks what would you rather the matter is there's a pattern that republicans are trying to push that lowers the rates but limits loopholes that was going to increase the amount of taxes he pays and if you ask warren buffett one book that has how hidden some of his tax revenue in foundations and when they ask him why don't you put that up for taxable oh no the gates foundation and my kids who are writing these foundations can handle this better than the government why does he get these foundational breaks and he's asking for more tax but this is what i want you want to do away at night now you now you're talking out of both sides and also he doesn't want to him so you say there's he wouldn't we shouldn't have government funding for things like health care and charities and all those people because private foundations to take care of that on the other hand you just said when rich people give money to foundations they should you know they should not just sort of just i don't you know i'm just. he wants people to pay higher taxes if he is himself your child have opposed his hiding in iraq or see is it just some small part of of course he is the problem with. seventy percent he's paying seventy percent as most of his incomes to happen capital gains which is taxed at fifteen percent what you make you live in sydney and you bought around the pool waiting for the dividend check to its original back then as i suppose of it as as we learned of it says every year his piece is that the total number of people that we're talking about your something like four five hundred the problem is that the prophecy that the president has on the table which warren buffett is supposedly supporting it does not affect four hundred people in fact it affects much much more and not just millionaires and billionaires but also a thousand bears they don't call it that because it sounds stupid or sets right because it's lavender thousand one hundred whatever it was i have no doubt there's always like you military the point they're not super rich people so why it's so if more buffett said. write a check do it ourselves but but i'm just i'm really glad to hear that you can all see that you support a great the organization c standing institute is going to create the libertarian communities that float around the ocean i'm really curious to get the thoughts on this they're going to go way out in the ocean so they're even free of trees i mean truly lawless territory pay pal co-founder peter thiel has put this thing together here's a quote he says we're going to this is from him he says we're going to create kind of floating petri dish for implementing policies that libertarians stymied by indifference at the voting booths have been unable to advance no welfare looser building codes no minimum wage and few restrictions on weapons. ok no building codes no minimum wage you can get built by the cheapest way i mean he said it would be like the b.p. oil spill what's wrong with people going there i want to go there i'm just i mean i think it's most important he said is no structure that's not weapons because last time they tried to do this in the one nine hundred seventy s. the island of minerva took over an island in the congo near the tongue over the tongo thought it was their territory and kate said they a flotilla. you know obviously a very low tech flotilla and forced the. libertarians off the island so one hopes that they have a bigger military for this this new approach here's my question if the libertarians create this little village and one libertarian decides that he wants to build his apartment building three stories higher than all the other and they are kind of like the sun like they were getting what happens. that's part of living in a libertarian utopia we'll see what kind of people are straight rude they're not scritches no bill no there's no place no social consensus. moving. well here's a quote here's only bush moving to the island if you want to stop being a social contract or sensual i'll be a social entrepreneur so and the social contract is whoever gets there first wins i guess and so you know one of the big things i called libertarians republicans want to smoke dope and get laid because you know they they want to decriminalize pot on it and it wasn't a prostitution market so where where are they where these guys going to get their hookers from either going to take turns ok looking but it will probably be a probably good marke

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fox news debate and exclusive saturday's straw poll, the stakes are high. we'll ask our panel who has the most to win or lose in iowa, all right now on fox news sunday. hello, again from foxews in washington. before we get to the economy, we'll bring you the latest on the terrible story out of afghanistan. insurgent shot down a u.s. military helicopter saturday killing 38 including 22 navy seals from the same unit that took down osama bin laden. fox news correspondant conner powell has more from cabble. conner? >>reporter: chris, this is a devastating blow to the small tight-knit community of special operations in afghanistan. it is a single deadliest day for american troops. the military is investigating the cause of the crash. the taliban were quick to claim responsibility saying they shot it down with a rocket-propelled grenade. the force was beginning to launch a raid in taliban compound southwest of kabul when the taliban rocket did take the helicopter down. in recent months, the u.s. military has been fond of saying they wrestled the momentum from the taliban. but this deadly attack is all the more evidence that the taliban are capable of launching attacks against t

fox news digital fox news editor and the host on foxnews.com live. are you picking a winner, chris? >> reporter: the winner of course is people who love america if you're at the iowa state fair today, because they love america and it is awesome out here, jon. the winner of the actual debate last night just in terms of how you score the round, maybe it's bachmann, maybe it's pawlenty, maybe it's gingrich, but the winner of the debate overall in terms of how it changes the election and what it effect has going forward is pretty obviously mitt romney. he looked good, he stayed cool. he put jabs back when people came after him without seeming to get down in the mud. it was a technical and tactical win for mitt romney. a good rer form answer and just what we needed. jon: our presented today sesers were opening up the question to viewers. it is an unscientific poll obviously, but 50% of their people who responded say newt gingrich won. >> reporter: well, look he gave, in terms of what we've seen from speaker gingrich he delivered what people have been expecting from i'm all along, a tart tongue, a focus on policy, a brashness, a confrontationalness that he's none for that we haven't seen from him because his campaign has been so beleaguered by the problems on the trail and with his organization. people got to see a glimpse of the real newt last night. they loved it. i will stand up for chris wallace right now and say that was a totally legit question. what he was talking about was basically this. if you can't run your campaign, if you're having trouble running your campaign how do you run the executive branch of the federal government? it was fair and eupl bounds. but everybody likes it when you work the efs in a boxing match and that's what he did with chris and it was effective. jon: for mitt romney it was an important performance. he has not worked real hard in iowa, as i understand it. i haven't been there myself. he hasn't worked real hard in iowa but he did well enough in the debate, do you think? >> reporter: i think he did well enough. i think what he has done, and this is so information, is get moderate republicans to coul republicans to stick with him. rick pe perry is going to try to unite the right and take people away from tim pawlenty and michelle bachmann. they'll say he's the guy that can do it and he has the cool under fire and toughness that he needs to get through an arduous nomination process and confront barack obama. when he said he wasn't eating barack obama's dog food you could feel it in the crowd, mitt was here to play. jon: we'll be talking to ron paul a little bit later in the show. thank you very much, chris stirewalt. >> reporter: you bet yeah. jenna: a little bit more coverage by the way on what happened in iowa. chris has his online show live on foxnews.com. he's going to be talking to a couple of the key players, so you can tune in to live.fox news.com for that. looks like kids were having fun at the fair a as well. jon: always a good time at the fair. a little funnel cake. jenna: they tern lee meant no harm. that's what they say. one of three sibling fugitives, also saying she should have been shot. an update on the dangerous trio now behind bars, truly one of the most bizarre stories of the week. with wall street roller coaster happening keeping everyone guessing what should you do with your money as you're going into this weekend, any tips you should know about? we have that just ahead. later in the show as jon just mentioned, congressman ron paul. harris we always know when congressman paul comes on a lot of people have a lot of questions. >> reporter: they do, we want to take everybody to foxnews.com's home page. it just popped up in red letters, jon and jen, our live chat, town hall america's asking, just beneath the big picture our top story about the debate. you click on that it takes you to "happening now" home page. and a comment from gary, how quickly would you pull our troops out from around the world and how much money would you save by doing this. your questions for our guest ron paul. we are putting them in que. right now on "happening now." we'll be right back ♪ and so the conversation turned ♪ ♪ until the sun went down ♪ jenna: right now new information on crime stories we're keeping an eye on for you this friday. a woman caught with her brothers after a nationwide manhunt. telling colorado authorities she deserved to get shot. court documents say lee grace doughtery made that statement after she was shot in the leg by a police chief. despite her saying that she meant no one any harm the chief says she pointed a gun at him during this pursuit. the three siblings made their first court appearance yesterday by video from jail. in the meantime the f.b.i. releasing new information on a bomb scare in oklahoma. we told you about this yesterday. the agency may be close to an arrest now after a possible pipe bomb was found wed in the eastern part of the state. they say it was attached to a gas line with a timer, a mystery there. a man convicted of killing eleven women and dumping their their remains around his home will get the death penalty. that was the recommendation from jurors who convicted anthony sowell. the judge had the option to reduce the sentence to life without parole but decided against it. jon: congressman ron paul is coming up live later in the show and asks for your comments. harris is at the wall with what some of you had to say. all sorts of questions any time that congressman paul gets on. harris. >> reporter: a couple of our viewers are wanting to know specifically about our role in the wars. he talked about that in the debate. one viewers writes. what would you do if you ended the wars worldwide? would you bring those troops home to unemployment. very specific questions about that. another viewer is expressing concern about how much money you'd save and how would you do it without spending money to end the wars and where would you put the cash, so on and so forth. that that really is a theme, jon of people on the live chat. a lot of them are saying they didn't hear enough talk for their flavor about the war and ron paul had the only real angle on this in the debate last night. go to america's asking and we will include your voice in all of these. ron paul coming up in a little while. some of you are getting very detailed and very focused on your questions. jon: harris faulkner thank you. jenna: the economy was the major theme of the debate last night and certainly this week proved the point that it's still very much in the forefront of our minds. a wild ride on wall street triggering major whiplash for all of us, stocks moving up or down by hundreds of points each day. we have the founder of imperial wealth management. kimberly, let me share a story with you that i think many americans probably experienced this week. one of my friends said to me, i just checked my 401k, i lost thousands of dollars and i said, don't check your 401k, what do you doing check being it during such a volatile week? i thought about it, maybe i gave her bad advice. should we be checking our 401k, our allocations, is this a good time to do it. >> it's such a volatile market. professionals don't even know which way to go. everybody was taken off guard. you've got to be in the game in order to win the game. i tell my clients this week, basically allocation is the first and foremost important attribute of your portfolio, houp to stocks and how much to bonds. 90% of the variability or noise going up and down tells you the performance in the long term. how much do you want to stocks, how much to bonds. you might have 30% to bonds or 70% some stocks. if you're older you may have like only maybe 20% to the stock market. jenna: age is something important when you're thinking about financial planning. >> it is. jenna: the volatility is something that regardless of your age is tough to watch. how long do you expect -- how long do you expect this to last. do you think it will repeat next week? >> i think that volatility is the new normal. i hate to say it. you better get used to this. this is going to be the new normal. we don't have a lot of certainty in regard to what is going on on a geo political front or the united states front, and we have the super committee of 12 now, they are going to try and solve this budget issue, so we've got a lot of uncertainty, and of course the market doesn't like uncertainty. if you have a hundred thousand dollars in your portfolio and you're up 50% one year and down 50% the next year your rate of return goes from a hundred thousand to 75. if you're only up say 10% one year and 10% down the next year you're at $99,000. that volatility tells you what your rate of return is going to be for the long term. that is really important to be able to be able to have the allocation to go through these ups and downs in the market. jenna: it would be nice to have a million dollars in any t fund. there is one question we should be asking, whether it's ourselves if we're in control of our own retirement or a savings fund or a question we should mow tension alley be asking a financial planner. what is the one thing you see people missing when you talk to them about how they are planning their own finances? >> i think people are scared. and if you're scared have the allocation. if you can't say emotionally in the market have an investment adviser. ask them basically what is the allocation of my portfolio, and if it's too volatile pare that down a bit for the long term. the bottom line is you have to be in the market to win the game, and in the long run we're going to get through this, jenna, we are. we are all going to get through this. it's going to be tough. that's why we get the great rewards in the long run. keep your eye on the prize, it's the long term return. over the next two years it might be tough, but we will gain the reward. jenna: always nice to have you, thank you for coming on again. jon: optimism is good. and elite u.s. skier in trouble with the law after some very bad behavior on an airplane flight. the fallout today, plus a brand-new study offers promising leads in cancer treatment. we told you about it yesterday, and coming up we'll talk with the woman behind a project that seems to be paving the way for a major breakthrough in the cancer fight. 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"who let the baby into the bar?" and so on. can your anti-aging makeup do that? ♪ simply ageless from olay and easy, breezy beautiful, covergirl. jenna: right now anee limb make hopeful in big trouble. and he got into it on a cross country jetblue flight. sometimes, harris, you know you wonder how you're going to actually tell this story. there are no words, really, right. >> reporter: no, the only thing that comes to mind is when you've got to go you've got to go. no criminal charges against this guy, but he's in a host of trouble with the u.s. olympic ski committee, because listen to what happened with robert veits. he's 18 years old. he's among 75 elite skiers in the nation. his name at least information now as been bumped from the team's developmental roster after thins dent at jfk. we don't know what that means for his standing on the team, but you don't want to be pulled in any regard from anything this close to competition. he had got even back from mount hood in oregon. he was on a flight from portland to jfk. he has admitted to police that he consumed eight alcoholic beverages before boarding that jetblue flight 166. and what happened on that flight is what jenna says there are just no words for. there was an eleven-year-old girl about five rows up from beets the skier. apparently somehow or another he thought he'd reached the bathroom but he hadn't, he reached hero of seats. and the child was sitting there by herself, according to flight attendants and many other witnesses and even the admission of the skier he resraoefd himselrelieved himself on the child. he said he was drunk, he didn't know what he was doing. there won't be any charges against him. right now the u.s. olympic committee is looking at his role on the ski team. the father who was traveling with the child were making their way to go to new york and the dad was suffering after having treatments for cancer. that dad and skier got into it on the plane, everybody is okay. after relieving himself on the $1-year-old he's going to get into some sort of a scuffle with the dad, can you imagine? it's all over now but the team decision. jenna: harris you handled that well by the way. there are no words but what a story . i don't even know what to say. thank you very much. >> reporter: sure. jon: anybody did that to my daughter they would be feeling some pain, that's for sure. there could be one of the biggest advances in cancer research in decades. we told you about this experimental treatment yesterday. it made cancer absolutely disappear in two of the three people treated. but it never would have happened if not for one woman. barbara netter cofounder for the alliance of cancer gene therapy is our guest. tell us how it is that you came to fund the alliance? >> all right. well, my daughter-in-law had breast cancer and she struggled with breast cancer. after that my husband and i founded the alliance for cancer gene therapy. he is now deceased. we met two doctors who practice at mt. sinai hospital and we each went with each of them at another time to a seminar. when we came back we were so excited about the thought of gene therapy as a cure and treatment for cancer that we decided to put our resources and our energies into this. and my husband who was a very patient and brilliant man with many, many ideas, felt in that over time something would develop. we are so pleased that we were the ones able to give to the doctor this grant, and the nci refused and others did not want to general taour into it. jon: the doctor took the project to the national institute of health. the idea is you alter the aids gene slightly, and it's hard to believe that a killer virus like that can actually be helpful, but that's what happened. they inserted it into people's white blood cells, reeven skwrebgt edit back into their body, it went in and hunted down the cancer cells and kill them. why wouldn't the national institutes of health fund this. and your much smaller organization did? >> there could be several reasons. one reason might be that they could not afford to give as many grants at that time, that must have been about five years ago. and another reason is that being a smaller organization we were able to fund it, and fortunately so. jon: this worked on leukemia patients. are you fairly confident that it will work on other cancer -dz as well? >> this is our hope. if we find one means of gene therapy it could be applied to many forms of cancer. there are many approaches to gene therapy, and certain approaches work better for certain kinds than others. jon: has your phone been ringing off the hook with congratulations? >> absolutely off the hook. acdt is so pleased. we are really hoping that we will get more donations and contributions so that we can keep up the funding of our pre imminent scientists. we have a board of 17 scientists around the country. they are preeminent people, and a board of directors of 15 people. we have 17 clinical trials in process. we do need people for the clinical trials. jon: i'm sure there will be lots of people who will want to get involved in the trials. >> it lends a great deal of hope. and we are so hopeful at this time and it looks as though we might really reach the point of our mission. jon: it is a great, great story, a couple paying for research that the government won't, and that research offers all kinds of promise in the cure for cans. barbara netter we're going to get your organization on our "happening now" website so people will know if they want to support you. >> please do, we are ww www.acdt.org. we are having a fund-raiser alternate the end of the year in honor of edward netter who was really our visionary. jon: it's a great way to honor his memory. jenna: remarkable. we know who will be on this debt cutting super committee. the big question is where are they going to find $1.5 trillion to cut from the federal budget? 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[ male announcer ] there's more barbeque time in every bag of kingsford charcoal. kingsford. slow down and grill. jenna: wall street right now trying to put together a two-day winning streak following some good retail sales, the best we've seen since earlier this year. anyone's best guess. our markets over in europe are closer to being closed and finishing off what has been a tough week. greg burke is monitoring what's happening in europe from rome, italy. greg? >> reporter: hi, jenna. that's right, things looking better. one of the things they did is actually in four countries here, italy, spain, france, belgium, to block short selling. but today markets looking good, up germany, france, london all about 2%, the markets. spain and italy up over 3%, so that is all very positive news after a very rough week but long-term prospects still looking pretty tough. you know, the growth figures or the lack of growth, really gdp figures are out for the second quarter, france was flat, greece perhaps no surprise but down nearly 7%, so it gives you an idea what a drag that is on europe. this is very much a political story just as it is business economics, and here in italy prime minister silvio berlusconi working with political leaders today, he's trying to explain to them what kind of cuts they're going to have to make. they're trying to trim down next year's budget by nearly $30 billion. so, clearly, politically that is not going to be an easy sell on the street, an easy sell out there in the regions. and finally, jenna, you know, we are in mid august here right now. silvio berlusconi's going to be having a cabinet meeting in just about an hour and a half. i can tell you 7 p.m. on a friday night in august, most europeans are not at work, they're probably at their beach house sipping something very cold. [laughter] jenna: i'm sure they prefer to be doing that than doing this meeting, but it's good that they're at work, i guess. greg, thank you very much. we'll let you get to sipping whatever you do during break. jon: six weeks of vacation they get in those european countries. jenna: thank you very much, greg. [laughter] jon: that debt crisis that's been gripping the nation? well, dealing with it is now in the hands of 12, count them 12, member of congress. the house and senate leadership appointing lawmakers to the supercommittee responsible for resolving our deficit. so who are these folks and why were they picked? mike emanuel live in washington with more on that. we know the names of all 12 now. what's the general feedback there in d.c., mike? >> reporter: well, jon, it seems like a formula for gridlock. six republicans, six democrats, six from the house, six from the senate. if they stay in their respective partisan corners, it seems to be a recipe for gridlock or a roadblock, stalemate, whatever you want to say at this point. so we asked a longtime adviser to senate majority leader harry reid for his take. take a listen. >> like i said, i think all are serious, substantive picks. there's some that i have disagreements with. i don't know, for instance, how senator toomey can sit there after having voted against the debt limit increase a couple of weeks ago, but having said that, you know, all, i think, are designed to, a, reflect their different constituencies and, b, reflect their caucus as well. >> reporter: now, jim manly believes that everything needs to be on the table in these discussions, that means looking at revenue, also looking at the entitlements which are long-term drivers of our debt. we will see how those talks proceed, jon. jon: but there are a lot of skeptics out there not crazy about this supercommittee, right? >> reporter: that's right. you know, in washington a blue ribbon panel, special committee, they seem to happen all the time, and a lot of times the reports go up on a shelf, and nothing happens. one of the most vocal critics of this supercommittee is a former speaker of the house, newt gingrich. take a listen. >> i think this supercommittee is about as dumb an idea as washington has come up with in my lifetime. [cheers and applause] i mean, if you will, for a second, i used to run the house of representatives, i have some general notion of these things. the idea that 523 senators and congressmen are going to sit around for four months while 12 brilliant political people are going to sit in a room and brill cantily come up with a trillion dollars or force us to choose between gutting our military and accepting a tax increase in irrational. >> reporter: so there you have his take, obviously, concern about what happens if, you know, the rest of the congress is not involved in this. you have 12 people making this decision perhaps behind closed doors, and what happens if they cannot agree to terms and then we have gridlock and serious problems because then we're looking at serious cuts across the board in government spending. jon: quickly, mike, you say perhaps behind closed doors. is it going to be open, their debate? >> >> reporter: we've heard calls for transparency, to do this in an open way, but you're also talking about very serious issues, and there'll be a lot of pressure from party elders, also from lobbyists all over washington on some of these issues like defense spending and also some of the health care spending. so there may be some tricky aspects if you do it on camera or do it in public where people can hear the argument. jon: a lot of posturing happens on camera. all right, thanks, mike. jenna: an amazing find on a civil war battlefield. maintenance workers were cutting up a fallen oak tree at gettysburg national military park when their chain saw hit something, and it wasn't just the wood. bullets embedded in the trunk, that's what they hit. and the discovery was made in an area called the culp hill, the scene of some of the most intense fighting almost 150 years ago. joining us to talk about this discovery, katie lohan, the spokesperson for getty burg park. how extraordinary is it to find these bullets? >> well, it's pretty much of a rarity today. now, 100 years ago when these were still privately owned lands, it happened much more frequently. but this hasn't happened in at least 20 years here at gettysburg. jenna: i read that the tree that fell was, is older than the united states of america? >> yes. we were pretty surprised. once we had this tree cut, especially the two slices that show the bullets, our natural resource specialist was trying to count the rings, and it was very hard because this tree grew very slowly. it was at the top of a dry, rocky ridge. and it was 100 years old in 1863. jenna: oh, wow. that's incredible. the stories the tree could tell, i'm sure, well, could cover a lot of ground. let's talk about these bullets. is there any way to track who fired them or what side they even belonged to? >> i think if someone did a lot of study, they might be able to figure out, but -- and here's why. first off, the tree fell over, so there's a root ball, but it's been exposed to the weather for about ten years. and it probably twisted and rolled a little bit because it's a steep slope. but if you can figure out whether the side of the tree that has the bullets in it faced downhill or uphill, you'd know whether it was probably confederates who were downhill firing up or the union soldiers who were uphill firing down. we just don't know. jenna: it'll remain a mystery right now, but that ridge, culp hill? is. >> yes. jenna: what kind of fighting was happening in the early july of that war? this. >> so it's a three-day battle of gettysburg on july 1st, 2nd and 3rd, and it's the second day of the battle especially where there's just incredibly intense fighting and on the 3rd of july as well. and the confederates were attacking uphill against the union defenses in this particular part of the hill. so just incredible fighting. in fact, there's some very well known historic photos that show the trees on culp hill, and they're just all pockmarked and damaged by all the bullets and all the cannonballs that hit them. jenna: you've given us a lot of reasons to come and visit this park. we have some of the images of what these battles looked like in artists' rendering. we did show a little bit of a reenactment of the civil wartime. obviously, there wasn't video at that moment. >> right. but there was the beginnings of photography and great photos taken at gettysburg shortly after the battle that help us know a little bit about what to preserve and protect here. jenna: katie, incredible. thank you so much for sharing this really special story with us that gives us a lot to think about and, again, another place to visit, katie. thank you very much. >> thank you very much. come see us. jon: the history of 150 years ago happening now. jenna: can you imagine how old that tree is? 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>> reporter: i know, jenna, and he's only 36 years old. it's pretty hard to believe, and it is a major bust. the mexican police actually, jenna, snagged the leader of the hands with eyes, that's the name of this mexican drug cartel. it happened in an overnight raid, and his group is actually blamed for a lot of the extreme drug violence and massive drug sales we've been seeing in mexico. as i said, 36-year-old, garcia is, and he was found at a presumed safehouse overnight. once he was taken into custody, he actually admitted to being personally responsible for 300 murders, and he was connected to at least, he said, 300 more many ending in beheadings, so it's the most severe violence we've seen. authorities are saying he's a deserter from the mexican military, former a navy corporal and police officer. here he is being brought out before the press in how they do their perp walks in mexico. and he was also a bodyguard for a major assassin, edgar valdez, before he split off and formed this hands with eyes gang. and, jenna, interestingly, the reason it was called hands with eyes, there's a popular mexican puppet part of an act by a mexican entertainer, and he actually paints his eyes on his hands when performing. think like lamb chop from years ago. this latest arrest were mildly dent the problem of skyrocketing mexican drug violence. this year alone there were more than 7,000 people or if you can believe this, jenna, an average of more than 40 a day that have died at the hands of the cartels, some of them killed are competitors, but innocent citizens are clearly getting caught up in the drug war as well. but authorities there are credited with another major bust. they made in this month, jose antonio acosta hernandez. that happened, again, this month. but still at large this guy, joaquin guzman, and with the death of usama bin laden, he is the most wanted man, most wanted man in the. hard to -- in the world. hard to believe he's the most dangerous. he actually escaped a mexican prison in 2001, and he saided capture since -- evaded capture since in a prison laundry cart after a court ordered he could be extradited to the u.s. no one knows where he is. you put his picture up, maybe we'll solve that one, jenna. jenna: each step an important one. jamie, thank you very much. >> reporter: sure. jon: will the king of the high wire pull off one of his biggest stubbles yet? 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[ jon i wouldn'tut it my table at home, i wouldn't bring it in. my name's jon forsythe, and i sea fd differently. jon: imagine trying to walk the distance of six football fields on a rope about as thick as a nickel. below you the rushing waters of niagara falls. sounds like a nightmare for most people, the kind of thing that would wake you up at night. but it's the dream of record-breaking tight rope walker nik wallenda. new york lawmakers have given him permission. they are hoping to bring more attention to the niagara falls area which could use an economic shot in the arm, but he still has to convince officials on the canadian side to give him the go ahead the make this walk. nik wallenda joins us live. you're talking about the diameter of a nickel, right? >> that is correct. jon: and your idea, your hope is to make it from the u.s. side to the canadian side. right now canadian authorities have not given you their approval? is. >> that's correct. you know, it's a huge process, getting permission from two countries to walk a wire between the two. um, so we decided to approach the u.s. side first as i'm a u.s. citizen, i was born and raised here and thanks to the help of one of the senators we were able to pass through the senate unanimously through the assembly which was sponsored by senator, i'm sorry, an assemblyman. and we were able the pass that. it still does have to be signed by governor cuomo, but we feel fairly confident he will. we just recently approached the canadian parks association, and we have been talking with them, with the commission and, again, it's a process on that side, too, and we're willing to follow each step that we need to in order to get permission to accomplish this dream of mine. jon: well, there has been a 50-year-old ban on so-called stunts over niagara falls. the new york legislature approved this one, why? because they're trying to give -- >> you know, i think it'll be huge for the economy, for one, on both sides. as well as the fact that what i do is really not a stunt. what i do is an art. it's something that i've done since i was 2 years old. my family has been entertaining around the world for over 200 years, i'm a seventh generation of the wallendas, and this is something that, again, i've done my entire life and trained my entire life for this one dream. jon: so give us some of the stats. this would be longer than six football fields, we mentioned. how high above the falls would you be? >> it's approximately 160 to 170 feet above the falls and, again, it is over 1800 feet in distance. jon: wow. you'd have, obviously, the mist, you know, the water on the wire, that's going to make it more difficult and potentially more trouble. >> well, you know, that's stuff that we train for. i actually recently walked across the allegheny river in pennsylvania, and it was about 220 feet high and halfway out it began to rain. i'll actually train down low with wind and rain, i've trained in the wind gusts of up to 90 miles an hour as well as in rain. so for this walk i'll actually be rigging the entire cable the exact way it'll be rigged over the falls on an airport runway, and we'll actually have wind machines there as well as fire trucks spraying mist on me so it'll duplicate exactly what i'll be feeling while i'm walking across the falls. jon: nik, assuming you get the permission from the governments, jenna wants to come with you, okay? >> she can sit on my shoulders. jenna: oh, oh no. >> a view like no other, i promise you that much. [laughter] jon: we wish you well. jenna: i believe you. wow, you're in trouble. jon: you're good for that, right? jenna: we're going to commercial, wait to see what he gets. we'll be right back with more "happening now." - i amp because it's completely invisible. - i amp because it's designed to help me hear better. - i amp because it's for active people like me. male announcer: introducing amp, a new kind of hearing aid. so tiny, it's invisible. - amp is comfortable to wear. - and easily removable. announcer: and at $1,500 a pair, amp is affordable. - amp: the hearing aid for people who aren't ready for a hearing aid. - i amp. do you? announcer: call toll-free 1-888-379-1405 to find an amp hearing professional near you. at only $1,500 a pair, you can't afford to wait. that's 1-888-379-1405. call today. jenna: a foxere as we take a look at the markets after what's been a truly wild week on wall street, one of the most volatile since 2008 in the midst of the financial crisis. you saw the dow gain more than 400 points yesterday, you see it up almost 200 points today. still have four hours of trading before we get to the close, so that's where it stands right now. a few things to mention to you today, we got a reading on consumer confidence, how are we feeling about the economy? looks like we're feeling not so good, low e levels since 1980 according to one data point that we got today. but we also got some other news. retail reports that showed that consumers are, indeed, out there shopping, and we're still important to the economy and making sure it continues to grow. that might be one of the things that investors are looking at today as a reason for a little optimism heading into the weekend. but again, jon, as we've seen, anything can happen. jon: the pattern all week has been up one day and down

fox news.com. you're watching the most power full name in news, fox news channel. >> greta: many are pointing fingers president obama. they say his economic policies are failing us and he bungled the dell sealing debate many what do the people -- the debt ceiling bay. what did the people who want to take over the job and what would they do if they were in the office? >> we needed to balance the budget and limit the size and scale of the government. what they did with this proposal was kick the can down the road. everyone knows the cuts in the first two years are small. those are the own ones that can be controlled. in two years there maybe a new congress. hopefully, a new president. maybe we can get more if this president is reelected those cuts are not going to take place. you have this promise of maybe somebody coming forward with a bill that will reduce the deficit more. if it doesn't you are going to cut defense spending which is the laugh thing we should be doing. i think it was a bad deal. >> our biggest problem is our economy is flatfooted. they are not creating jobs. we are not the economy we

fox news debate to the crucial saturday straw poll, the stakes are high. we'll ask our sunday panel who has the most to win and lose in iowa, all right now on "fox news sunday." and hello again from fox news in washington. before we get to the economy we want to bring you the latest on that terrible store arery out of afghanistan. insurgents shot down a u.s. military helicopter, killing 38. including 22 navy seals from the same unit who took down osama bin laden. conor powell has more from kabul. conor? >> chris, this is a devastating blow to the small tight knit community of special operations forces here in afghanistan. the single deaiest day for american troops since the war started nearly ten years ago. the military is still investigating the cause of the crash but the taliban were quick to claim responsibility saying they shot it down with a rocket propelled grenade. it appears that the force was beginning to launch a raid on a taliban compound in the province just southwest of kabul when the taliban rocket did take this helicopter down. now, in recent months the u.s. military here in kabul has been found of saying that they wrestled the momentum away from the the taliban but th

fox news sunday," sitting down with minnesota congresswoman and presidential candidate michele bachmann. that's sunday on fox news sunday. check your local listing and the entire debate can be seen tonight on foxchannel if you missed it last note we are showing the relay all the highlights from the candidates at 10:00 p.m. eastern right here on fox news channel. verizon officials claim someone intentionally cut phone service to an area where there is a hospital and a police department. the accusation comes amid a worker strike. union representatives say they do not condone illegal activity and now the feds are involved. >>jon: secretary of state hick heck calling out the seen president as his troops slaughter more people. the violent crackdown on the uprising against the president assad has killed nearly 2,000 people, and plume rights group report that syrian troops today killed at least another 14 protesters and we cannot confirm any of this, as the syrian government will not allow journalists to covert bloodshed. and now the news live from the pentagon. jennifer, there seems to be a new tone from the administration, now, jennifer? >> different from when secretary of state, hillary clinton ca

like fox news and bill o'reilly knew this story was about to hit the web gawker claims that they've decided to try and discredit gawker before i leave their laundry with their public so nice try fox news but bill o'reilly still wins tonight still time award for being a total hypocrite. ok for happy hour this evening and joining me tonight is r t producer jenny churchill and his money heard on the hill reporter for roll call thanks for joining me guys ok just for kicks just for the have to play one last time i can't ever get enough of this clip let's remember nancy grace. let me just. say i am praying tonight. they are she was referring to casey anthony but nancy grace is actually going to be i'm dancing with the stars you think that was a little precursor of it was that no i think it was actually subliminal messaging because she said that she got the call when she was on her way to get to find out about the verdict so she knew that. she was so you know well if you're going out to party and do a little dance because she's going to be on t.v. or else mosher to multitask that well her show she had a daytime show that courtship that i canceled she's going all the time in the world that's

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fox news alert. casey anthony -- >> greta: fox news alert. casey anthony is back in florida. she >> casey anthony is back in florida. jose baez reports she is in florida. she did plead guilt tow check fraud in 2010. this has nothing to do with the death of her daughter. y she will be going back to school. casey's planning to take classes online. the terms of her probation include she will not be allowed to drink alcohol in excess and she cannot break any laws and cannot leave florida without permission. last month, she was found not guilty of murder. we will keep you posted on any breaking news. >> governor perry wasting no time, according to a new poll he's the new gop front-runner. he may have joined the race late but he is leapfrogging romney by double digits. what happened? how did governor perry jump ahead? >> it is amazing. the guy got in 10 days ago. he was known according to soft polling by half the republican electorate last month. that shot up. all of a sudden he's de facto front-runner ahead by 12 points over romney. all year romney in one way or the other was the front-runner. all of a sudden perry comes in. the field has been fluid all year. we've seen numbers go up, trump hit a nerve a few months ago. bachmann flavor of the month for a little while. what is interesting about these numbers that came out today, it is the first perp of any of the names to almost hit 30%. if you go back, many elects back over the last decades in the republican field, you had a front-runner by new that was well over 30%. and that person in almost all cases went on to become the nominee this is a different environment. >> greta: is this a honeymoon? there's a new glow and no one has thrown any dirt at him? >> i think it is a little of that. i was in iowa, it was fascinating, last saturday, he walked through the crowd and an inordinate number of people were not only thrilled to see the guy but knew who he was, which i thought was surprising. he has a way of interacting with people that is very natural. i think he will be strong on the stump in that way, perhaps more than anyone else. there's a long way to go and people have a lot to learn about him and his record. some of it may not sit well with everyone. >> greta: the numbers from august and july, governor romney is down six. congresswoman bachmann down three, governor perry up 11. i'm curious if the conventional wisdom is governor perry is stealing voters from governor romney for representative bachmann? >> romney's hope when he looked at bachmann and pawlenty, battle it out in their space, particularly in iowa and in the debates in the end bachmann destroyed pawlenty and pawlenty is now out. i think the romney camp is hoping to see that battle take place between perry and bachmann. if you look at the numbers it is clear at least right now it is romney voters that are breaking away and going to perry's side. romney is showing all of a sudden a certain kind of flexibility or softness, i should say in his numbers that can't be pleasing. >> greta: because he's a front-runner he has been talking about president obama being his opponent. is governor romney going to have to take some swipes at governor perry or challenge him on certain policy? >> this came up today. his whole thing is steady eddie, i'm not going to change strategy. i'm going to talk about the economy, the president's record. for months he has been running a general election campaign in the debates he was that way the unflappable one. above his own party's battles that are going on. he's going to take it to the president. i don't think he can continue that for much longer. one thing about rick perry, he's won 10 elections in a row he has never loss, he runs tough, if necessary negative campaigns and he will go after romney if he needs to. i think it will have to come back the other way. >> greta: never dull. thank you. >>> update now on the phone hanking scandal. investigators say staffers at the now defunct british tabloid hacked into phones. employees are unscrutiny here in the united states after a report of possible phone hacking of 9/11 victims. eric holder met with victims' families telling them so far there is no prove but promising a preliminary criminal investigation. last month british prime minister cameron planned that his government would look into whether 9/11 victims with were targeted. news corporation the parent company of this network closed down the tabloid last machine. >>> senator lieberman goes on the record. what is up with an independent senator and governor palin? we ask senator lieberman about that. >> if you could take a vacation to space, would you? you may get a chance sooner [ grandma ] why do relationships matter? 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fox news alert. casey anthony -- >> greta: fox news alert. casey anthony is back in florida.ficer in florida tonight. the location will not be revealed. she did plead guilty to check fraud in january 2010. probation has to do -- nothing to do with the death of caylee anthony. casey will not be required to get a job. she will be going back-to-school. she is planning to take places online. she will not be allowed to drink in excess. she cannot brach any laws and must have per m before leaving florida where she is -- must have permission before leaving florida where she is serving probation. >> governor perry wasting no time, according to a new poll he's the new gop front-runner. he may have joined the race late but he is leapfrogging romney by double digits. what happened? how did governor perry jump ahead? >> it is amazing. the guy got in 10 days ago. he was known according to soft polling by half the republican electorate last month. that shot up. all of a sudden he's de facto front-runner ahead by 12 points over romney. all year romney in one way or the other was the front-r

fox news. well yeah and you know my objection is with the executives of fox news rupert murdoch who's been already under investigation by parliament in england for some misdeeds over there and i've asked the f.t.c. to investigate why i've been left out when i met the qualifications and then roger ailes who's president of the network and i've asked the f.e.c. to look into it they've indicated they've got my complaint it was an eighty two page complaint with all the backup evidence and everything so i'm hoping they'll make an expedited decision because the next fox news to date is coming up in tampa in just two weeks so what exactly is in this complaint i mean are you alleging that they're discriminating against you because it's something homophobic or are you just saying that they're ignoring you they're not giving you the attention that you're due. well you know it's a catch twenty two you know for a first time candidate like myself to get in the debates you have to have good poll numbers in order to do that and of course to get good poll numbers you need to be in a debate so you know i think that they have. to be i i stated my case i showed them the five polls where i averaged the one percent which was the requirement to be in the last debate in ames iowa i was actually there i did the spin room afterwards and everything i was interviewed by fox news but they intentionally left me out and the first two debates the c.n.n. and another fox news debate you know i didn't meet the requirements and i took it like i mean but you know in this instance

news continues on fox. >> this is a fox news alert. president obama says there is a deal. speaker boehner senate majority harry reid and mitch mcconnell says there is a deal. not so fast. that is just the leadership. it's not over. what about the raipg and file. the leaders must convince the rank and file already there is express content. will the tea party caucus and tore bead doe a deal. what's the deal? >> what is the dole? that's a great question. tell you what we are seeing. already in the house he is putting out a power point to do that. senator reed finished doing the same thing in the senate. it is interesting we just found something different there is a democratic alternative to the balanced budget amend am possible in this deal. the plot thickens as to whether that changes in this make scombrup in the list of things that is in this deal. >> democratic alternative. that's not a particularly encouraging sign. balanced budget is significant to the budget of the gop and the house. >> there are different versions of it. i believe it was created senator mark udol of colorado. it's a different version of the balanced budget amendment that would not require two-thirds to raise taxes down the road. let's keep going in the big picture. there is enough time if all of the senators agree to fast track this to get a vote they can do this and it can start in the senate. that is the ideal we are hearing pathway. when the tart vote started the market went down by over 700 points. the ideal path starts in the senate and goes to the house. they have a special rule in place they can do same day ra a try to handle this all day on monday to try to get the votes, ahead count before tuesday. >> in the house you have the far left the progressive caucus and tea party caulk cause both grumbling at least with all of the e-mails we see passing back and forth tonight. how certain is boehner he will get the numbers? >> more certain tonight. there are no votes obviously. there was a bit of a pickup in the defense cuts really stared some folks. half of the defense cuts in the so-called trigger. let me explain this quickly again. before thanksgiving a joint committee is set up. 6 lawmakers democrats 6 republicans. they come forward with the deeper cuts bigger cuts. if they are not able to do that and they are not able to pass in an up or down vote this punishment goes into effect these triggers. as it is set up now half are defense department cuts. that is a real problem for republicans. the other half is medicare cuts in these triggers but they are provider cuts for hospitals and doctors not on the beneficiary stuff. republicans said this is not a great deal on the cut thing. it tripped a few head count before speaker boehner today. >> the plot thickens. >> indeed. >> republican senator jeff sessions from state of alabama good evening, sir. what do you think? you like it or not? >> i haven't seen it yet. we have seen a little power point outline and time and time again we found those to be inaccurate. the numbers do indicate there will be some reduced spending not nearly enough but real reduced spending that i think can be enforced. maybe a half or less than half of what we really need to do to get our country on a sound footing. it is not a debt ceiling that is a big issue. the debt ceiling is a process and opportunity for us to discuss the overall debt trajectory that is dangerous for america to give us an opportunity to reverse the trends. that's some progress driven by the last election but not enough. >> is there any sort of -- as you put into the power presentation or in this plan so that in the next congress we are in this mess again in terms of the trajectory? is this really finding o bindin on anybody for a period of time? >> it is binding. a year or so ago we voted to declare the census an emergency. something that is required every ten years not an unexpected emergency. we declared it. the answer is yes congress can get around it. it will be more difficult. i think every american needs to watch and make sure that we are faithful to these modest committees to reverse our spending recklessness. >> do you have any idea the cuts will come in two places one is the military and the other is healthcare providers under medicare? >> i am concerned the military is improperly being targeted in this. what i am hearing is it could be much more severe on them than other agencies of the government certainly i wouldn't favor that. >> is that something that would be a game changer for you? >> it would be a game changer for a lot of people. we will have to see what the language is. they shouldn't have to tighten their belt but disproportionately. >> assuming it is not disproportionately. >> i have said we have 7 days to review this bill. we have known this day was coming for six months. i warned they were going to wait until the last minute plop down a bill no one has time to read and demand you pass it because the markets might be open tomorrow morning and be unstable. unworried about the markets. this legislation should have been on the floor for weeks american people should no what is in it. it's not a deal, deal, dole it's what is in the legislation that's important. >> since you don't want to do anything at the last minute it expires september 30th. wait until the 28th and 29th of september. why don't you stick around and handle that. >> that is a good suggestion actually. we have a real problem spendi s for next fiscal year that begins october 1st. we have surpassed only one appropriations bill and we have got 12 more to go and i don't see any of them moving very fast. so we will end up again with all piled up in one big bill at the last minute. we are asked to pass it. the senate robert byrd said there are two great senates roman senate and u.s. senate. u.s. senate could have been such a fabulous forum for national discussion about debt crisis. we really missed that opportunity. >> we should suggest it. i think it would be a little bit of a stink bomb. maybe we should suggest that you stick around to do that one. >> we need to be ready. we are going to be in the same position. you are right, september 30th. >> we are going to do the school drama again. >> unless something changes we are going to be in the same position. >> always nice to see you sir. the other side of the aisle democratic senator mary landrieu is she satisfied with the deal. you haven't seen all of the details but from what you know tonight yes or no? you like it or not? >> i haven't seen the details but i am leaning toward voting for it. i think it's very, very important to avoid default. it's not just how the government hostage it's how every american, family and business hostage. we need to get past back to the crisis. i want to thank harry reid for working up to the lathes minute. it wasn't pretty. it was tough. i wish we would have more time as the senator from alabama said. it is what it is. and i am looking forward to the details tomorrow. hope we can get this done in the next 24-hours. >> maybe you ought to do that one, too. >> in fact the appropriations process started. see if we can work out the agreement in the house in the home land appropriations bill. >> we talk about tax breaks and deductions. i looked at the power point and there won't be any tax increases. i know that's a big thing for the democrats and republicans have been fighting about it. are taxes going up with this or not? >> i haven't seen the details, tax increases are on the table. revenues are on the table. it's important they be. income coming into the government is at the lowest level since world war ii. people that pay high taxes don't want to believe that. but the fact of the matter is because there's so many loopholes in our tax code and because -- >> 5300. >> one percent income tax six percent income tax. that's in the fair. i am glad tax increases are on the table and tax revenues maybe we can lower rates for some middle class families and small businesses. that is on the table i understand. defense cuts are on the table. discretionary cuts are on the table. to solve this problem we have to raise revenues and cut spending. >> you think that's -- this is on the other side of the aisle. is that going to be -- if taxes are on the table that seemed to be a rare significant item certainly for the freshman members of congress and republicans. is that going to be a deal breaker? >> i think that will be very tough for members of the house. i think the president fought hard for a balanced approach which is some defense cuts, some discretionary cuts and some revenue increases. >> speaker boehner on his call tonight said we have 98 percent of what we wanted. minority leader nancy pelosi. is he right the republicans get 98 percent of what they wanted. >> what it seems like to me we devo avoided the default. we are going to get threw this for the next 24 months which is important. >> pass the election. >> it's not just pass the election. it's for two years. we don't want to engage in this kinds of holding the economy hostage every six months. we can fight about closing the government we can fight about appropriations we most certainly shouldn't fight about holding the economy hostage. >> if the economy were roaring it would be less of a problem. people would feel more optimistic we are on the right path. >> the economy is too weak. that's why i am objective of the fight over this right now. >> the economy is still weak two and a half years later. >> it has not worked as well as we hoped. it is better than doing nothing. that's why i object to people who say we shouldn't have done it. >> how do we know that? >> we put money in the pockets of every american. we extended the tax cuts. you can see now -- >> we put 787 billion into it. >> you can see now the state governments are cutting back teachers are being laid off professors are being laid off. it is starting to weaken the economy. government spending at the appropriate time when you have a depression is important to do. >> i am not totally convinced when i look at all of the inned kuwait dorrs unemployment housing starts i am not convinced the stimulus bill has gone. i know the argument is we would have lost more. i am unconvinced. >> i was always moved to do something as opposed to nothing. it was a balance between tax cuts and additional spending. we have to be careful about pulling too much out of the economy. i am glad the president avoided the default tonight. >> senator thank you very much. take a look at the details and there's much to be talked about. >> the republican senator ron johnson calls the secret behind the door's debt ceiling negotiations disgusting. is he satisfied with the proposed deal. the great state of wisconsin i might add. sorry to senator landrilandrieu. >> is it disgusting? >> yes. >> still? >> we are talking a deal that will be $2.4 trillion worth. think about what that is $2.4 million worth. you have a couple people negotiating this. it is ridiculous. talked about the federal government's budget here. >> we really do need time to review this. we don't want it like the healthcare law where nobody read the thing. we don't want to pass to see what's in it. >> in terms of what you know so far the same question i possessed to senator landrieu and senator sessions. does it look like something that put your hands around something you are likely to vote for? >> here's the first problem. the rating agency everybody is keying in on that. they are saying we need $4 trillion to afford it. this will only be 2.4 trillion. >> i hate the rating issues. they are the ones who got into that mess the way the toxic cdo's they gave triple a ratings for. >> let's put it a different way then. what is happening right now is we have doubled spending in just the last ten years. 10 years ago we spend $1.8 trillion this is year 1.6 trillion and more. what the president's budget would do after 10 years increase that from 3.7 to $5.7 trillion. he could spend $46 trillion. all we are doing is lowering that by what 9 huf900 million. i am an accountant. the only way you can really guarantee 900 billion of spending cuts is you better make sure you cut about 90 billion. i have seen estimate of 7 billion the first year maybe 22 billion. what is the control of the fact that we may get 9 billion in the first. there is no guarantee of 1.2 billion in the second. we have to control spending in washington. this is business as usual. this is a spending culture in washington. i came here to see if i could do something about changing this culture. >> is this in any way appealing? is oo anything good in it>> cbo estimated 3.4 million would lose numbers. 50 percent of employers will drop coverage. there is 180 million people that get their coverage through prou employers now. healthcare law alone could eat up any savings this bill creates. >> from what i understand i can't say how you are a yes on this. >> this is totally inned a inad. it may be a step in the right direction but it's not fixing the problem. it's not about the august 2nd deadline it's about the amount of spendling and debt that this country is occurring. it's really the debt in relationship to the size of our economy. if it is 120 trillion large 14 trillion would be a problem. the economy is 14.8 trillion. that's the problem. we have way too much debt for the size of our economy. >> the continued resolution funding our government do you want to do that now or wait until the 29th of september. >> the democrats should have passed the house and the senate. oo oo we are ore that one. >> no we are not over that. that's what is so disgusting about this. backing up against the deadlines and we are trying to spend trillions of dollars in a couple weeks. given these fwils we have no time to read them that is horrible government. it is going to produce an awful product. >> senator thank you, sir. we are going to go live where ed henry is standing by. >> spoke to a couple of white house officials laying out more details about how all of that came together. the president and vice president are working the knowns over the last couple dies talking to all of the key leaders reaching out to lawmakers to bring it to a conclusion. let me highlight one piece of the deal that is something to keep an eye on. we heard about the special committee of congress that will have to support a piece of legislation by thanksgiving and congress would have to act on that by christmas giving them two key deadlines giving them 1.5 trillion in more spending cuts. what happens if they don't do it? we heard there would be dramatically more spending cuts split evenly between domestic and defense so democrats and republicans would each feel pain. there's another piece of this that hasn't gotten a lot of attention. these dramatic kutsz if congress fails to act would not take effect. they would not take effect until the beginning of january 2013. the white house is talking the fact that they were able to get that so the cuts would take effect in january of 2013. that is when the bush tax kutsz cuts expire. they were saying if the republicans have not come up with the prime address is balanced approach. structural tax reform here as well cleaning up subsidies, et cetera. the president is now saying flatly he would veto the tax cuts for the rich. he extended those back in december in part because of the dire situation now and clout after the midterm elections. who will get cid the here is the president working the phones. one white house voted as well. last night this staffer was coming back here into the white house about 10:30 p.m. to get back to work. working around the clock here. motorcade was coming back from his residence to the white house. >> ed, thank you. >> the house's cat cup and balance the senate didn't vot bother to vote on it. do they agree with the wet debt ceiling. how about you? how does it impact you? >> you are one of the members of the republican gop the freshman. are you satisfied with this? >> everybody else sat here tonight with you it is hard to make the judgments until you see the details. looks good. looks like it has the same components that cap and balance has. we know they were firmly behind that plan. hopefully it's enough to get this done and make sure we avoid this crisis. >> a lot of the tea party caucus has been criticized as being the ones who were somehow causing trouble or interfering. has been worth it? >> abc slightly. you look at our history as a country and how often we raised the debt ceiling with no conditions how we have done it with the debt ceiling over and over again. we got seventh a referendum that said go there and change things. >> you have a sense that other freshman gop in the house are satisfied to the extent we know the details and you will be satisfied when you don't get anything else. recognizeing this crisis is coming. we have talked about it for a year and a half. we firmly believe this battle is why we were sent. >> they come down at the end of the day and envision that you get a whole package and to get part of it. we start that path down the right track. >> what do you think you didn't get that you wanted? what don't you think you get? >> i think everybody would like to see more substantial cuts especially in the first year or two they look to be small numbers. i haven't seen the details in this bill. in the other bill it was 22 million in this year than the next year. they won't be huge number that is blow our minds. we would like to see more than that. the balance the budget amendment to the states would be great. at home overwhelmingly people support that. that makes common sense. why would you not say it's a priority to balance your budget? that is something that a lot of us care deeply about. >> you learned about the gop president is that how you learned about it? >> that is a thing that is always a bugger. you sit there as a new member of congress you are amazed you are seeing a lot of the details in the news play out before you get the conference call. it had been in the media for half an hour. that is frustrating you would like to think you would hear some of the details first. that is one of the things we will fix up here. we need to keep working on it. >> senator johnson referred to the whole process as disgusting. it is hard to participate in the deal making. it is done behind closed doors. with more people in the room it's probably hard to get a deal. in the house it's different. t our speaker let bills come do the floor we have offered hundreds of amendments. there's no more earmarks to try to get votes. this is the policy of what do you think is right and let's see if we can roundup the vote. >> did he go up with the wealthy americans. >> the president kept talking that. tomorrow of them are endorsing that. >>> we will woch and see what happens the next daum days. >>> the stock market as the jitters.

fox news -- sources tell fox news in fact there is no word he has left libya. of course, his whereabouts are unknown. the british prime minister, david m cameron, just following a meeting of his own national security council issued a statement saying, quote, we have no confirmation of qaddafi's whereabouts but the british have also confirmed the detention and arrest of two of qaddafi's sons. of course any of this can change at any moment, we are cautioned by intelligence sources but as of now there's no evidence that qaddafi, who's not been seen in the last four hours, only heard by audio, has left the country. gregg: james, what are the top concerns of u.s. military officials going forward? >> reporter: number one, first and foremost, gregg, security in and around tripoli. this is the seat of government such as it was in qaddafi's libya and the very first order of business will be to try to impose some form of law and order in the country. once the celebration stops, they don't want to see this become baghdad a redoux where we see excessive looting and all toward that end, is to establish security over libya's weapons, stockpiles and arsenals, in particular, u.s. officials are concerned that missiles, antiaircraft missiles, of which libya had a sizeable number under qaddafi, could be looted and potentially get into the wrong hands and put to use against a civilian airliner. there is also concern about establishing cohesion amongst the transitional national council and libyan rebels. as you know there's tribal infighting and they don't want to see baghdad redoux. we've seen how that plays out. gregg: got to secure those weapons. a lot of them. james rosen, thanks. martha: james raises a number of important questions in all of this. what with ce expect from the libyan opposition groups that are likely trying to coalesce and try to figure out how to take power? k.t. mcfarland, national security analyst on the story, she has been all through the weekend of course for us and we thank you for that valuable input. here we are monday morning and you say the next 48 hours are extremely crucial in all of this. why is that? >> act one, topple the dictator, okay? we seem to have done that. act two, can the rebels get it together, watch and see what they do, can they establish security in the next 48 hours, 72 hours, because if they can't, looting starts. it's one thing to have a revolution. it's another thing to turn to the boring task of governing. are they going to spend their time score set ring -- score settling? for 40 years, qaddafi has murdered friends and families. is all the energy going to be taken up killing the bad guys were making sure the water runs, streets are safe, protect the institutions, get the electricity going? >> martha: certainly the early word is the treatment of the sons have been civilized and that says to me that they want the world -- that's the message they want to send to the world that they're not going to treat these individuals the way they've been treated and their families have been treated and also we've gotten support from sarkozy, saying he wants to meet with the head of the tnc in paris next week, so that also gives them legitimacy, you know, those indications would be somewhat positive, right? >> those are positive. but you have the moving factor in this, where is qaddafi, does he flight or flee, does he do a saddam hussein. everybody in libya has a gun, whether it's the libyan military that seems to have melted away when the rebels got into tripoli. we know the my laishas are armed, the rebels are armed, so does everybody lay down their arms? you don't know. if qaddafi flees, where does he go to, to the south, does he try to rally the southern desert tribe, which is where he's from, to fight an insurgency? does he flee -- >> martha: it sounds like the prime minister is now -- his own support network has deteriorated to such a degree, do you think he can put together enough people to keep fight something. >> he's got a lot of money to buy insurgents, pay people off, buy fighters from sudan, he has money literally probably under the mattress, we know there have been caches of weapons he's had in various palaces throughout the country. he's perfectly capable of mounting an opposition for a guerilla war. does where -- why does he not free, go to another country? international -- international court has indicted him. he could be tried and executed. martha: which is what they've already said they're going to do with the sons. that's what's out there right now. a quick question on the leadership in the united states, how we're handling it, because our input and signals we send are so vital right now and france and berlusconi is weighing in today. >> yeah, it's a very narrow line to walk. on the one hand we don't want to crow for victory for fear it's not going to be such a victorious situation, on the other hand we don't want to make it look like it's a nato or american operation. it's got to be a libyan revolution. however, that doesn't mean we step back and do nothing. the example ever present is 1978-1979, carter administration shoved the shah of iran aside and said let the iranians do their own revolution and we know how that turned out. we need to work behind the scene like my boss reagan did, send this engineers, send in -- remember, for 40 years, these people have never governed themselves, they don't know how to do it. martha: it was such a rag tag group in the beginning, the prirk plenty we think -- accomplishment we think says something for their tenacity. want to be sure. before we go, i want to do a shoutout. the service runs deep in the mcfarland people, lieutenant fiona mcfarland, they were watching us the other day, and if you're there, we thank you for your service and a big shoutout for the people on the u.s.s. blue ridge, for me and for mom! thanks k.t., always good to see you. gregg: we love the whole k.t. max farland family. >>> 270 people killed during the 1998 pan am bombing, 189 were americans. it's been more than 20 years mo maqaddafi has never admitted to ordering that attack. we're going to be talking to the brother of one of those victims and ask him what he thinks should happen to the libyan leader. >> martha: plus democratic congresswoman maxine waters has been speaking out quite forcefully lately. first she lashed out at president obama, said she was going to unleash on him, now he's turned her fire on the tea party, saying they can go straight to hell. gregg fox news alert, police announcing another death in the wake of that horrific stage collapse at the indiana state fair back on august 13th. the 24-year-old woman died from her injuries late last night. it is still unclear what exactly caused -- annd you're looking at footage of it -- of the stage to collapse to begin with. we know that strong winds were initially blamed but there is an investigation underway of the wreck yalg itself. martha: congresswoman maxine waters fired up again, this time lashing out at the tea party during a town hall in california. listen for yourselves: >> a lot of people at the congressional level and even at the precinct level do a lot of talking and a lot of balking, don't do enough voting, don't do enough supporting. now, i'm not afraid of the big bad wolf. i'm not afraid of anybody. this is a tough game. you can't be intimidated. you can't be frightened. as far as i'm concerned, the tea party can go straight to hell. and i intend to help them get there! marth

fox news sunday. and hello again from fox new in washington. irene is hammering the shore of new jersey and bearing down on new york city. we can report it was downgraded to a tropical storm with sustained winds of 65 miles per hour. but it is moving so slow low and producing so much rain, it is still very dangerous. irene made landfall saturday morn there are nine reported deaths and tornados were spotted in maryland and delaware. knocked out power to three million people and new york city mayor michael bloom bloomm said he time for evacuation is over and ordered residents to stay inside . we'll hear from craig fugate in a moment but we have team coverage of where the irene is headed. julie is in battery park that faces a threat of the a serious storm surge. >>reporter: yes serious storm surge. loir manhattan and battery park in particular is ground zero for this storm. mainlyy because of the electric supply here and the tide. the tide is reaching high tide. 8:00 this morning and expected storm surge of 8 feet would mean that lower manhattan, much of it would get flooded. we have seen flooding knee deep and the hudson river overflowing in lower manhattan and meat packing district north of here. zone a is where i stand. mandatory evacuation issued here which meant 350,000 people in here and rockaways and queens and coney ilandd. flooding and street and bridge closures and the george washington bridge, lower deck closed earlier today. and all of the bridges will remain open as longg as the winds don't get up to sustained 60 miles per hour wind. we have had gusts up to 60 miles per hour and so it looks good there. we are hearing that the linn contunnel. outbound. not the lincoln but the holland tunnel which is southern most in battery park. you now have to move up north to the lincoln tunnel. they have closed that down. public transportation system is shut down. it is the first time new york city shut down all of the trains and buses due to inclement weather and last time new york city even experienced that affect due to a hurricane was 19quive hurricane gloria and first time for us to experience a direct hit back in 1921 and that flooded 13 feet high fromm where i am standing up to canal street. flooding is a major concern for hundreds of thousands of people without power in jersey and new york combined. back to you, chris. >> chris: julie, thank you so much for that. we'll bringg in mike tobin who is waiting for the storm to hit in howard beach, long island. what is the situation there? >>reporter: i can tell you, the full force of the storm, chris, we are getting the biggest kick we are going to get for the storm at least from this point and locationn. to give you an idea where my location is, it is near jfk airport. it is metered here at 40 miles per hour. they really feel like they are getting more to 50 or 60 miles per hour . that is why you can see all of the water driving in here. this is a result of storm surge and high tide hitting at the same time and this is a big parking lot. behind me, you will see the main drag that leads to the rockaways and rockaway beach. look at the amounts of the streett lines and power lines are tested right now. and also in this area, you can see the dump trucks in the boulevard. you can see them in the center of the boulevard. this is blocking off the cause way out to the barrier islands. all of those people who refused to come and decided to ride out the storm are getting the worst of it right now. and emergency being vs can't get there to evacuate them if they are in trouble at this moment. 92 do they think that the full storm surge has not hit. it is expected to hit in the next 45 minutes or hour. does the flooding expected to get worse? >>reporter: it seems that way. some people are braving the worst of that and drive through it and i can't tell you how many times people do that and found out it was a bad decision and ended up the lead story on the news. we are past the worst of high tide by a half an hour. but it seems like the water keeps coming in as the wind is driving it in and that is a storm surge in itself. and so with the intensity of the storm, we are getting more water on the main streets and now you can see the emergency vehicles behind us making their way through the water. they will get up and go across the causeway. that is the area in the rockaways where a lot of people rode out on the storm. >> chris: mike, thanks for that and stay safe. joinning us now from fema headquarter in washington is the director of the federal emergency management agency director fugate. as we said irene is bearlyy a hurricane with sustained winds of 75 miles per hour. can people afford to let theirr guard down? how dangerous is ireinn --irene at this point? >> guest: we have had reports of fatalities in certain states. caused by trafficc accidents or trees coming down and hitting houses and there is dangerous. hurricane-force winds of 70 miles per hour is bad. you don't want to drive in it. don't let your guard down. for most people in the immediate path of the store stay inside and stay safe until it passes the area. >> chris: talk about the area that irene is headed. what is yourr biggest worry as the hits new york and heads up new england? >> i think for new york and long island it is how much storm surge we get. they are running out of the high tide that. is a concern of how much water we get. wind itself, power out anals and that number goes up and heavy rainfalll and flash flooding that can occur. if you are in a safe place, staying inside is the best thing. we'll see how much flooding we get as irene moves up the coast. >> chris: we are talking 4-8 feet storm surge. what can that do to manhattan and the areas on long island? >> guest: the flood damage itself is bad. that's why the locall officials and mayor bloomm bloom ordered the evacuation to get people out of there. l hopefully we'll not get more damage but we'll know more when the storms gets out of the way. >> chris: 75 miles per hour wind sounds bad. but in a city with canyons and tall mountains and things like that, winds can be more severe particularly in the higher levells of the sky scrapers? >> guest: absolutelyy. we can see 20 or 30 percent increase as you move up a hundred feet or more n the high rise, get away from the high rise buildings and move down in the lowwer part of the building and don't go outside. we don't have reports yet. we may have a window pop out or debris pop off. so far, loss of life hasn't been as great as we were fearing. but we want to have people stay safe . >> chris: what reports about the damage so far about the damage where irene has hit as it made landfall in north carolina. >> guest: north carolina emergency reportted 57 swift water rescues where they got people out of the water that were trapped. they are lookking to get to the barrier ilans to get ferry service restored. half million more people are without power. we are seeing the report comes in and we'll get better idea of how much road and structural damage. the primary focus is on search and rescue. >> chris: talk about all of the things that your agency is doing withitate and officials. how many emergency shelters and supplies you have from beds and blankets and food and water. and any sense of how many people you are servicing? >> guest: the shelters are run by locall officials in combination with the american red cross and salvation army. we stay in contact, but the red cross is the best source for the shelters and go to red crosss.org, and they will give yo information if you need that information. we are workog getting teams in place and generators and supplies more for after the storm depending on impacts in the areas up down the east coast. it is a combined effort. volunteers and in the private sector working as a team and hoping to make sure we do everything we can to keep the public safe. a lot of areas that the storm moves through, you want to get out and see how bad it is. stay off of the roads. they don't need to compete with you for the road space and there is hazards with downed power lines. stay home unless it is urgent. >> chris: i know it is premature with the floodding and property damage. we understand three million people lost power. how long could these releafand - relief and cleann up efforts? >> guest: we'll know more tomorrow. how much damage was caused by system trips. and that will drive how quicklyy power will come back on. we are asking them to get ready for extended power out ages for days. >> chris: finally everything in washington director fugate revolves aroundd the budget. i know that is not your concern today. you are near the end of the fiscal year. is fema going to need emergency pending and need more money with the added coast - cost of the dealing with the hurricane? >> guest: we are making sure we have enough reserves to respond to the disaster and we are able to respond in the current disasters such as irene and the existing ones. we are lookking at numbers for what it will take depending on the damage as we get through irene. and for the impacts of irene for next yearr. >> chris: how close are you to coming you to running out of the money. >> guest: well, we had over 800 million in the relief fund. and chris, it is going to depend on how much damages and rebuilding cost determine the funds needed. we'll not know that until we do damage estimates. for the response, we have funds there to go and committing to the resources as irene moves up the cost. >> chris: director fugate thank you for the update and all of the work you are doing to keep the people on the east coast safe. thank you, sir. up next, presidential politics and candidate who is ignored by the media. we'll talk to ron paul in a moment. and following hurricane irene and bring you the latest on the storm's path throughout the program. look at all this stuff for coffee. oh there's tons. french presses, espresso tampers, filters. it can get really complicated. not nearly as complicated as shipping it, though. i mean shipping is a hassle. not with priority mail flat rate boxes from the postal service. if it fits it ships anywhere in the country for a low flat rate. that is easy. best news i've heard all day! i'm soooo amped! i mean not amped. excited. well, sort of amped. really kind of in between. have you ever thought about decaf? do you think that would help? yeah. priority mail flat rate shipping starts at just $4.95, only from the postal service. a simpler way to ship. >> chris: you are looking live at times square. it is an awfully unusual sight on sunday morning. it is absolutely deserted and people bracing for the arrival of irene despite what you see on the right-hand side of the screen is downgraded to a rop top storm and dangerous and sustained winds of 65 miles per hour and we heard from fema director craig fugate with a city with tall canyons and tall buildings. the 65 miles per hour wind can be much more fierce and a storm surge in the coastal areas. now for a look at how the storm is holding up where it is headed today, we turn to our meteorologist rick wright. >> rick: you get around 300 or 400 feet and it may with 25 miles per hour stormer. and the rain moved north of new york city . long island you are looking clear and don't be fooled. there will be more bands that circle through after we'll see more rain and the winds will continue. the winds are a story for the remainder of the day for tropical storm force winds. major flooding is the next concern. the rain is not over in parts of new england. if you key the maroon color that is flash flooding, most of the state of the new jersey and delaware and pennsylvania and areas of upstate new york and new england. we have more rain to come. heaviest of the rain, 17 or 18 inches in north carolina and virginia, that is done. we'll see it taper off in philadelphia and head to the north now and that's where the heaviest of the rain will be. mountains getting another 6 or eight inches of rain on top of what they have already received in the last couple of weeks. there is a major flooding concern on our hands by tomorrow of the chris. >> chris: rick, thank you for that. there is other news and joining us from houston, texas and continuing our 2012 one on one series is congressman ron paul. welcome back to fox news sunday. >> guest: thank you, chris, good to be with you. >> chris: you heard director fugate talking about all of the thing that is fema is doing to help with the path of irene. you talked about doing things back in 1900. >> guest: fema is not a good friend of most people in texas. all they do is come in and you can't get in your houses and they hinder the local people and they hinder volunteers from going in. there is no magic about fema. >> chris: you upon would do away with fema and all of the things it is doing to help people in the east coast? >> guest: you read the reports that came out of new orleans and all of the wonderful things they did. giving check to people who didn't live there and hundreds of millions of trailers because they didn't meet fema standards. it is a system of burrcrats with a policy that is deeply flawed. you don't get rid of it in one day. i have had the position for a long time and i have a coastal district. but i also suggested that there is differe

news continues on fox. >> this is a fox news alert. president obama says there is a deal. speaker boehner senate majority harry reid and mitch mcconnell says there is a deal. not so fast. that is just the leadership. it's not over. what about the raipg and file. the leaders must convince the rank and file already there is express content. will the tea party caucus and tore bead doe a deal. what's the deal? >> what is the dole? that's a great question. tell you what we are seeing. already in the house he is putting out a power point to do that. senator reed finished doing the same thing in the senate. it is interesting we just found something different there is a democratic alternative to the balanced budget amend am possible in this deal. the plot thickens as to whether that changes in this make scombrup in the list of things that is in this deal. >> democratic alternative. that's not a particularly encouraging sign. balanced budget is significant to the budget of the gop and the house. >> there are different versions of it. i believe it was created senator mark udol of colorado. it's a different version of the balanced budget amendment that would not require two-thirds to raise taxes down the road. let's keep going in the big picture. there is enough time if all of the senators agree to fast track this to get a vote they can do this and it can start in the senate. that is the ideal we are hearing pathway. when the tart vote started the market went down by over 700 points. the ideal path starts in the senate and goes to the house. they have a special rule in place they can do same day ra a try to handle this all day on monday to try to get the votes, ahead count before tuesday. >> in the house you have the far left the progressive caucus and tea party caulk cause both grumbling at least with all of the e-mails we see passing back and forth tonight. how certain is boehner he will get the numbers? >> more certain tonight. there are no votes obviously. there was a bit of a pickup in the defense cuts really stared some folks. half of the defense cuts in the so-called trigger. let me explain this quickly again. before thanksgiving a joint committee is set up. 6 lawmakers democrats 6 republicans. they come forward with the deeper cuts bigger cuts. if they are not able to do that and they are not able to pass in an up or down vote this punishment goes into effect these triggers. as it is set up now half are defense department cuts. that is a real problem for republicans. the other half is medicare cuts in these triggers but they are provider cuts for hospitals and doctors not on the beneficiary stuff. republicans said this is not a great deal on the cut thing. it tripped a few head count before speaker boehner today. >> the plot thickens. >> indeed. >> republican senator jeff sessions from state of alabama good evening, sir. what do you think? you like it or not? >> i haven't seen it yet. we have seen a little power point outline and time and time again we found those to be inaccurate. the numbers do indicate there will be some reduced spending not nearly enough but real reduced spending that i think can be enforced. maybe a half or less than half of what we really need to do to get our country on a sound footing. it is not a debt ceiling that is a big issue. the debt ceiling is a process and opportunity for us to discuss the overall debt trajectory that is dangerous for america to give us an opportunity to reverse the trends. that's some progress driven by the last election but not enough. >> is there any sort of -- as you put into the power presentation or in this plan so that in the next congress we are in this mess again in terms of the trajectory? is this really finding o bindin on anybody for a period of time? >> it is binding. a year or so ago we voted to declare the census an emergency. something that is required every ten years not an unexpected emergency. we declared it. the answer is yes congress can get around it. it will be more difficult. i think every american needs to watch and make sure that we are faithful to these modest committees to reverse our spending recklessness. >> do you have any idea the cuts will come in two places one is the military and the other is healthcare providers under medicare? >> i am concerned the military is improperly being targeted in this. what i am hearing is it could be much more severe on them than other agencies of the government certainly i wouldn't favor that. >> is that something that would be a game changer for you? >> it would be a game changer for a lot of people. we will have to see what the language is. they shouldn't have to tighten their belt but disproportionately. >> assuming it is not disproportionately. >> i have said we have 7 days to review this bill. we have known this day was coming for six months. i warned they were going to wait until the last minute plop down a bill no one has time to read and demand you pass it because the markets might be open tomorrow morning and be unstable. unworried about the markets. this legislation should have been on the floor for weeks american people should no what is in it. it's not a deal, deal, dole it's what is in the legislation that's important. >> since you don't want to do anything at the last minute it expires september 30th. wait until the 28th and 29th of september. why don't you stick around and handle that. >> that is a good suggestion actually. we have a real problem spendi s for next fiscal year that begins october 1st. we have surpassed only one appropriations bill and we have got 12 more to go and i don't see any of them moving very fast. so we will end up again with all piled up in one big bill at the last minute. we are asked to pass it. the senate robert byrd said there are two great senates roman senate and u.s. senate. u.s. senate could have been such a fabulous forum for national discussion about debt crisis. we really missed that opportunity. >> we should suggest it. i think it would be a little bit of a stink bomb. maybe we should suggest that you stick around to do that one. >> we need to be ready. we are going to be in the same position. you are right, september 30th. >> we are going to do the school drama again. >> unless something changes we are going to be in the same position. >> always nice to see you sir. the other side of the aisle democratic senator mary landrieu is she satisfied with the deal. you haven't seen all of the details but from what you know tonight yes or no? you like it or not? >> i haven't seen the details but i am leaning toward voting for it. i think it's very, very important to avoid default. it's not just how the government hostage it's how every american, family and business hostage. we need to get past back to the crisis. i want to thank harry reid for working up to the lathes minute. it wasn't pretty. it was tough. i wish we would have more time as the senator from alabama said. it is what it is. and i am looking forward to the details tomorrow. hope we can get this done in the next 24-hours. >> maybe you ought to do that one, too. >> in fact the appropriations process started. see if we can work out the agreement in the house in the home land appropriations bill. >> we talk about tax breaks and deductions. i looked at the power point and there won't be any tax increases. i know that's a big thing for the democrats and republicans have been fighting about it. are taxes going up with this or not? >> i haven't seen the details, tax increases are on the table. revenues are on the table. it's important they be. income coming into the government is at the lowest level since world war ii. people that pay high taxes don't want to believe that. but the fact of the matter is because there's so many loopholes in our tax code and because -- >> 5300. >> one percent income tax six percent income tax. that's in the fair. i am glad tax increases are on the table and tax revenues maybe we can lower rates for some middle class families and small businesses. that is on the table i understand. defense cuts are on the table. discretionary cuts are on the table. to solve this problem we have to raise revenues and cut spending. >> you think that's -- this is on the other side of the aisle. is that going to be -- if taxes are on the table that seemed to be a rare significant item certainly for the freshman members of congress and republicans. is that going to be a deal breaker? >> i think that will be very tough for members of the house. i think the president fought hard for a balanced approach which is some defense cuts, some discretionary cuts and some revenue increases. >> speaker boehner on his call tonight said we have 98 percent of what we wanted. minority leader nancy pelosi. is he right the republicans get 98 percent of what they wanted. >> what it seems like to me we devo avoided the default. we are going to get threw this for the next 24 months which is important. >> pass the election. >> it's not just pass the election. it's for two years. we don't want to engage in this kinds of holding the economy hostage every six months. we can fight about closing the government we can fight about appropriations we most certainly shouldn't fight about holding the economy hostage. >> if the economy were roaring it would be less of a problem. people would feel more optimistic we are on the right path. >> the economy is too weak. that's why i am objective of the fight over this right now. >> the economy is still weak two and a half years later. >> it has not worked as well as we hoped. it is better than doing nothing. that's why i object to people who say we shouldn't have done it. >> how do we know that? >> we put money in the pockets of every american. we extended the tax cuts. you can see now -- >> we put 787 billion into it. >> you can see now the state governments are cutting back teachers are being laid off professors are being laid off. it is starting to weaken the economy. government spending at the appropriate time when you have a depression is important to do. >> i am not totally convinced when i look at all of the inned kuwait dorrs unemployment housing starts i am not convinced the stimulus bill has gone. i know the argument is we would have lost more. i am unconvinced. >> i was always moved to do something as opposed to nothing. it was a balance between tax cuts and additional spending. we have to be careful about pulling too much out of the economy. i am glad the president avoided the default tonight. >> senator thank you very much. take a look at the details and there's much to be talked about. >> the republican senator ron johnson calls the secret behind the door's debt ceiling negotiations disgusting. is he satisfied with the proposed deal. the great state of wisconsin i might add. sorry to senator landrilandrieu. >> is it disgusting? >> yes. >> still? >> we are talking a deal that will be $2.4 trillion worth. think about what that is $2.4 million worth. you have a couple people negotiating this. it is ridiculous. talked about the federal government's budget here. >> we really do need time to review this. we don't want it like the healthcare law where nobody read the thing. we don't want to pass to see what's in it. >> in terms of what you know so far the same question i possessed to senator landrieu and senator sessions. does it look like something that put your hands around something you are likely to vote for? >> here's the first problem. the rating agency everybody is keying in on that. they are saying we need $4 trillion to afford it. this will only be 2.4 trillion. >> i hate the rating issues. they are the ones who got into that mess the way the toxic cdo's they gave triple a ratings for. >> let's put it a different way then. what is happening right now is we have doubled spending in just the last ten years. 10 years ago we spend $1.8 trillion this is year 1.6 trillion and more. what the president's budget would do after 10 years increase that from 3.7 to $5.7 trillion. he could spend $46 trillion. all we are doing is lowering that by what 9 huf900 million. i am an accountant. the only way you can really guarantee 900 billion of spending cuts is you better make sure you cut about 90 billion. i have seen estimate of 7 billion the first year maybe 22 billion. what is the control of the fact that we may get 9 billion in the first. there is no guarantee of 1.2 billion in the second. we have to control spending in washington. this is business as usual. this is a spending culture in washington. i came here to see if i could do something about changing this culture. >> is this in any way appealing? is oo anything good in it>> cbo estimated 3.4 million would lose numbers. 50 percent of employers will drop coverage. there is 180 million people that get their coverage through prou employers now. healthcare law alone could eat up any savings this bill creates. >> from what i understand i can't say how you are a yes on this. >> this is totally inned a inad. it may be a step in the right direction but it's not fixing the problem. it's not about the august 2nd deadline it's about the amount of spendling and debt that this country is occurring. it's really the debt in relationship to the size of our economy. if it is 120 trillion large 14 trillion would be a problem. the economy is 14.8 trillion. that's the problem. we have way too much debt for the size of our economy. >> the continued resolution funding our government do you want to do that now or wait until the 29th of september. >> the democrats should have passed the house and the senate. oo oo we are ore that one. >> no we are not over that. that's what is so disgusting about this. backing up against the deadlines and we are trying to spend trillions of dollars in a couple weeks. given these fwils we have no time to read them that is horrible government. it is going to produce an awful product. >> senator thank you, sir. we are going to go live where ed henry is standing by. >> spoke to a couple of white house officials laying out more details about how all of that came together. the president and vice president are working the knowns over the last couple dies talking to all of the key leaders reaching out to lawmakers to bring it to a conclusion. let me highlight one piece of the deal that is something to keep an eye on. we heard about the special committee of congress that will have to support a piece of legislation by thanksgiving and congress would have to act on that by christmas giving them two key deadlines giving them 1.5 trillion in more spending cuts. what happens if they don't do it? we heard there would be dramatically more spending cuts split evenly between domestic and defense so democrats and republicans would each feel pain. there's another piece of this that hasn't gotten a lot of attention. these dramatic kutsz if congress fails to act would not take effect. they would not take effect until the beginning of january 2013. the white house is talking the fact that they were able to get that so the cuts would take effect in january of 2013. that is when the bush tax kutsz cuts expire. they were saying if the republicans have not come up with the prime address is balanced approach. structural tax reform here as well cleaning up subsidies, et cetera. the president is now saying flatly he would veto the tax cuts for the rich. he extended those back in december in part because of the dire situation now and clout after the midterm elections. who will get cid the here is the president working the phones. one white house voted as well. last night this staffer was coming back here into the white house about 10:30 p.m. to get back to work. working around the clock here. motorcade was coming back from his residence to the white house. >> ed, thank you. >> the house's cat cup and balance the senate didn't vot bother to vote on it. do they agree with the wet debt ceiling. how about you? how does it impact you? >> you are one of the members of the republican gop the freshman. are you satisfied with this? >> everybody else sat here tonight with you it is hard to make the judgments until you see the details. looks good. looks like it has the same components that cap and balance has. we know they were firmly behind that plan. hopefully it's enough to get this done and make sure we avoid this crisis. >> a lot of the tea party caucus has been criticized as being the ones who were somehow causing trouble or interfering. has been worth it? >> abc slightly. you look at our history as a country and how often we raised the debt ceiling with no conditions how we have done it with the debt ceiling over and over again. we got seventh a referendum that said go there and change things. >> you have a sense that other freshman gop in the house are satisfied to the extent we know the details and you will be satisfied when you don't get anything else. recognizeing this crisis is coming. we have talked about it for a year and a half. we firmly believe this battle is why we were sent. >> they come down at the end of the day and envision that you get a whole package and to get part of it. we start that path down the right track. >> what do you think you didn't get that you wanted? what don't you think you get? >> i think everybody would like to see more substantial cuts especially in the first year or two they look to be small numbers. i haven't seen the details in this bill. in the other bill it was 22 million in this year than the next year. they won't be huge number that is blow our minds. we would like to see more than that. the balance the budget amendment to the states would be great. at home overwhelmingly people support that. that makes common sense. why would you not say it's a priority to balance your budget? that is something that a lot of us care deeply about. >> you learned about the gop president is that how you learned about it? >> that is a thing that is always a bugger. you sit there as a new member of congress you are amazed you are seeing a lot of the details in the news play out before you get the conference call. it had been in the media for half an hour. that is frustrating you would like to think you would hear some of the details first. that is one of the things we will fix up here. we need to keep working on it. >> senator johnson referred to the whole process as disgusting. it is hard to participate in the deal making. it is done behind closed doors. with more people in the room it's probably hard to get a deal. in the house it's different. t our speaker let bills come do the floor we have offered hundreds of amendments. there's no more earmarks to try to get votes. this is the policy of what do you think is right and let's see if we can roundup the vote. >> did he go up with the wealthy americans. >> the president kept talking that. tomorrow of them are endorsing that. >>> we will woch and see what happens the next daum days. >>> the stock market as the jitters.

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when i was watching fox news debate, which i thought the fox news folks did a pretty good job, when i heard the doorbell go off after about a minute just made me sick to my stomach, put the puppy on, but we might need to hear it. what's amazing about what perry's doing, it was called the federal reserve. won a noble prize as an economist and said the great depression was monetary, it was a monetary failure, and republicans like this. by the way, he was right, but they liked it because that meant it wasn't private businesses fault and the only reason is congress spending money. and get in the way of it. perry is throwing all of that out and he doesn't have a new framework to support what we should do, he just has nothing, but to get at that you need to have a long conversation, talk about milton friedman, monetary regulations, and no one likes that, but if we didn't have the policy, we would have had a great depression. >> if you look at the -- do you feel there is an articulated conservative economic policy that is an alternative to what the democrats are proposing or is it all no, no

rate uptick i think because japan was a basket case to begin with and i was not a fox news alert thising about to be a fox news alert, justifiably. most people felt no u.s. ratings agency would dare try it. today s&p did. >> greta: neil, thank you very much. senator mike lee republican from utah joining us on the phone. your thoughts tonight, first time that s&p has downgraded us, disturbing news, regardless of who, what, why? we now have a downgraded situation. your thought? >> it is most unfortunate. it confirms what we've known was coming for a long time. but chief chosen to ignore for a long time. -- but we've chosen to ignore for a long time. our economy, our way of life is our debt and continued deficit ing that washington and the administration are pursuing. -- >> greta: if you listen today neil, he talked about how the deal wasn't enough. i know you didn't like the deal very much. if you had a quick remedy for this situation, what would you suggest? >> i think the answer has to lie with a simple solution, that most americans support, which is permanent structural spending reform. something that will ch