and out of that came haroon and the sea of stories. which he actually helped me with. and i got one of the best pieces of literary-- that i ever had, where i showed him the first few chapters. i thought i better check that this was going to take. >> rose: he was about 9. >> he was about 11. and i said what do you think of it. he said yeah, it's good, dad. and there was a little unenthusiastic. i said good, it's good. he said yeah. me people might be bored. >> rose: and de like-- which character de like? >> he liked-- he liked, well, he liked the relationship between the father and son. >> rose: in fact this was a story of a boy who travels to the magic realm to find his father. >> well, that's in the first one he's trying to, his father has lost the gift of telling stories. >> rose: right. >> and he has to go back to the source, the sea of stories to try to restore it. in this one, the younger brother, in both cases the children have to save the father. the father is pretty useless. >> rose: that's true of both books. >> true of both books. >> rose: the theory of child