joining us now is josh rogin, staff writer for foreign policy magazine. thanks for your time. >> thank you, welcome back. >> thank you. the piece says it all. lev vin and mccain, we have no idea how much debt deal cuts defense. they don't know what the defense cuts here are. is the vagueness of the numbers here intentional, do you think? >> it's totally intentional and it's intentional on all sides, republicans, democrats, administration have a vested interest in not telling the defense cuts. i hate to burst your bubble, no defense cuts guaranteed. there's the prospect of defense cuts, possibility of defense cuts, there's even the threat of defense cuts, but that doesn't matter when the rubber meets the road. this is all part of a very long pattern of the sides claiming to have big savings from cutting defense or getting out of the wars iraq and affection to portray an image of savings that doesn't force the pentagon to make hard choices about rolls, admission, things wrong in budget and it's a lot of smoke and mirrors and what it's resulted in is beginni