the response of people like frank, middle class workers, was why should they get $40 an hour went leota only pays 20? they should be getting 20 like the rest of us. the response in wisconsin was the same white people have good pensions if we don't have good pensions? it was exactly the opposite. and i wonder why that's happened. >> it's a great question and when you look at the depression, the depression especially stands out from other long slump in history and european history as well. and i think in part the very depth of that period which of course was much deeper than what we are in today did pull society together. the middle class can to identify with the poor more than the rich which is unusual in american history, and the laconic images of the period included bankers selling apples on street corners so there was the sense of devotee was in the together and that is not the case today. the image of bankers do not involve the sale of apples. [laughter] and the recession has been felt very differently by different people and something for the response as i mentioned in the talk part