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president o'brien: it is okay. [laughter] >> sorry. president o'brien: no problem. >> on that motion. vice president adams: no. commissioner clyde: aye. commissioner dooley: yes. president o'brien: no. commissioner yee riley: no. >> commissioners, that fails 3- 2. president o'brien: ok. next item, please. >> that will be reflected as a no recommendation. is that correct? president o'brien: in its current form, yes. >> i just want to say that i think the department of the environment for working really hard to make something that was actually doable and amenable to both the industry as well as the retailers and the general public. i think they worked very, very hard, and i would like to remind everyone that this is an industry that took the opportunity to show its displeasure with san francisco by pulling a major contention out of san francisco the moment this was -- convention out of san francisco the mom and this was announced. i think that did more damage than it helped. we will still be working on this. i do want to thank the depart
president o'brien: it is okay. [laughter] >> sorry. president o'brien: no problem. >> on that motion. vice president adams: no. commissioner clyde: aye. commissioner dooley: yes. president o'brien: no. commissioner yee riley: no. >> commissioners, that fails 3- 2. president o'brien: ok. next item, please. >> that will be reflected as a no recommendation. is that correct? president o'brien: in its current form, yes. >> i just want to say that i think the department...
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president o'brien: commissioner riley? president riley: yes, under the circumstances, we do need to come up with a solution. but i do have a question. what kind of outreach efforts will you do and what's the response? >> thanks for the question. i think there are a couple of answers we've had. several meetings internally at the mayor's office as we have been thinking through this, we met with small business network, chamber of commerce, a number of stake holders to get their view on this idea. the mayor has also raised this as he has been going out and doing town hall meetings and merchant walks and been trying to talk to people about this and gauge the opinion. i think the response -- first of all, the second part of the answer to that is i think there is also still a long way to go on this. and that coming here to the small business commission is one of our first steps as we go through this process. so we have introduced this legislation. we're going to go to the board. so we're still in the process of doing more outreac
president o'brien: commissioner riley? president riley: yes, under the circumstances, we do need to come up with a solution. but i do have a question. what kind of outreach efforts will you do and what's the response? >> thanks for the question. i think there are a couple of answers we've had. several meetings internally at the mayor's office as we have been thinking through this, we met with small business network, chamber of commerce, a number of stake holders to get their view on this...
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president o'brien: thank you. next speaker. >> michael williams, union street neighborhood commercial district and others. having been involved in the legislation when union street first did a moratorium to get their lot -- their legislation strict about, i did a use survey. the restaurant business -- these buildups have been really strapped because of this micromanaging of our and cds -- ncd's. i attended one with the supervisor alioto-pier once, and she said we are doing this to the point of insanity. it takes restaurants a lot of money and almost a year to get to opening their doors and it is debilitating to them. anything we can do to streamline the process will help these guys, these small business owners, come in and set up camp. i support this, and so does the ncd. president o'brien: thank you. any more public speakers? public, disclosed. commissioner clyde: i would just like to go back to the two options, the one with the existing use categories and if they are moving into another category. i would like to
president o'brien: thank you. next speaker. >> michael williams, union street neighborhood commercial district and others. having been involved in the legislation when union street first did a moratorium to get their lot -- their legislation strict about, i did a use survey. the restaurant business -- these buildups have been really strapped because of this micromanaging of our and cds -- ncd's. i attended one with the supervisor alioto-pier once, and she said we are doing this to the...
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president o'brien: thank you. next speaker, please. >> i have hiv and aids, and i have been over the years since i have had her, it brought my health back, and she keeps me from reinventing myself because i am not into sexual immorality, which is what caused me to contract h i v and drug addictions. i cannot do anything in front of my dog, so she is really a good deterrent for keeping me clean and sober, and she keeps me focused on my music. thank you. president o'brien: thank you very much. anymore public comment? take your time. clerk: 554-9632. fifi 4-9632 is the number to call if you are at home and went to call in -- 554-9632. >> my personal story is that there were times when i could not good to movie theaters, or i could not go into stores because sometimes they have those flickering lights, and there were several things that i could not do. so i trained my dog to alert makes about, for instance, the flickering lights. it takes a little time, but they can do it. the other thing is, i am very fortunate. i ha
president o'brien: thank you. next speaker, please. >> i have hiv and aids, and i have been over the years since i have had her, it brought my health back, and she keeps me from reinventing myself because i am not into sexual immorality, which is what caused me to contract h i v and drug addictions. i cannot do anything in front of my dog, so she is really a good deterrent for keeping me clean and sober, and she keeps me focused on my music. thank you. president o'brien: thank you very...
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president o'brien: commissioner clyde? vice president clyde: -- >> there is a narrow definition of service dogs. there is no requirement. it is illegal to ask for a documentation. one of the things that you brought up that perhaps we can work with, when the federal law establishes a standard, you cannot go below that standard, so we have to follow that rule, but now, we are talking about service birds or service monkeys or cats or emotional support dogs. we can actually have some documentation and if this is not feasible, something not visible as a guide dog or perhaps as an assistance dog for someone in a wheelchair, we can do without the attack, but something above and beyond of what the federal law requires. that is my own concern. >> -- president o'brien: commissioner clyde? the commissioner can ask a question that can bring someone back. vice president clyde: with that beautiful bird, what is the specific barrier that you face when you enter a business with your birth? or a challenge, i think is the word? >> it has be
president o'brien: commissioner clyde? vice president clyde: -- >> there is a narrow definition of service dogs. there is no requirement. it is illegal to ask for a documentation. one of the things that you brought up that perhaps we can work with, when the federal law establishes a standard, you cannot go below that standard, so we have to follow that rule, but now, we are talking about service birds or service monkeys or cats or emotional support dogs. we can actually have some...
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>> -- president o'brien: commissioner clyde? the commissioner can ask a question that can bring someone back. vice president clyde: with that beautiful bird, what is the specific barrier that you face when you enter a business with your birth? or a challenge, i think is the word? >> it has been a bit of a fight. i have had some serious problems. i was asked to leave the library at one point. i elevated it to the library management. for me, because he is not a dog with a tag, people just assume that he does not apply, and the absolutely completely applies. i have letters from my doctor. i am disabled. on muni, problems for the first six months or so that we were together. i was thrown off of a muni bus, but i went to a hearing with muni, and they apologized and trust guys to it -- and chastised the driver. as the lady said before me, people sort of get a kick out of telling people how they can live their lives because they do not appreciate that you have some sort of a special circumstance. i find that is mostly the bottom of it
>> -- president o'brien: commissioner clyde? the commissioner can ask a question that can bring someone back. vice president clyde: with that beautiful bird, what is the specific barrier that you face when you enter a business with your birth? or a challenge, i think is the word? >> it has been a bit of a fight. i have had some serious problems. i was asked to leave the library at one point. i elevated it to the library management. for me, because he is not a dog with a tag, people...
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president o'brien: commissioner clyde? vice president client: -- clyde: think you for your presentation. -- thank you for your presentation. this is right after income taxes are due and right after the difficult time of the year, at least in the hospitality industry typically, so there will need to be quite a vote bit of outreach done -- there will need to be quite a bit of outreach done. there was a wisdom in these fees and licenses being issued at different times throughout the year, so it will take some significant outreach. i believe for the smaller businesses and people who might be encountering cash flow problems. i do know, i will say that i believe the tax collector's office generally works with taxpayers to the best of their ability, and i would like to just hope that as you develop this rollout that you have some room to assist people in case, you know, inadvertently they are not going to be -- we know that in the downturn, the tax collector and the treasure worked very hard to minimize the impact on businesses a
president o'brien: commissioner clyde? vice president client: -- clyde: think you for your presentation. -- thank you for your presentation. this is right after income taxes are due and right after the difficult time of the year, at least in the hospitality industry typically, so there will need to be quite a vote bit of outreach done -- there will need to be quite a bit of outreach done. there was a wisdom in these fees and licenses being issued at different times throughout the year, so it...
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conan o'brien. some reports came out about an online poll asking who has the best head of hair on television. conan came in first. i was chosen second. a close second, but second nonetheless. now, in my defense it is hard to compete with a mane that can be molded into a giant pompadour. and it's true. conan can do more tricks than i can. >> we use a german cement that isn't made anymore. we inject it into this part right here and little steel girders are inserted. this is structurally very sound. look what i can do. look at that. can mike wallace do that? >> no. >> i didn't think so. >> i can. i'm not afraid to admit it, it stung a little coming in second. over the years, i've spent countless hours and thousands of dollars at top salons in new york city. i try all the latest cutting edge hair products, and i'm not afraid to take risks with my hairstyles as you see over the years. all right, the truth is i pay a very nice man named isaac $6 with a $4 tip basically on the treat, and it looks the same
conan o'brien. some reports came out about an online poll asking who has the best head of hair on television. conan came in first. i was chosen second. a close second, but second nonetheless. now, in my defense it is hard to compete with a mane that can be molded into a giant pompadour. and it's true. conan can do more tricks than i can. >> we use a german cement that isn't made anymore. we inject it into this part right here and little steel girders are inserted. this is structurally...
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conan o'brien.ut some reports came on about an on-line poll about who had the best head of hair on television. conan came in first. i was chosen second. a close second, but second nonetheless. in my defense, it's hard to compete with a man whose head can be molded into a giant pompadour. and he can do more tricks than i can. >> we inject it into this part right here and little steel girders are inserted. this is structurally very sound. look at that. can mike wallace do that? i didn't think so. >> i can. not afraid to admit it, it stung a little coming in second. over the years, i've spent countless hours and thousands of dollars at top salons in new york city. i try all the latest cutting edge hair products, and i'm not afraid to take risks with my hairstyles over the years. the truth is is i pay isaac $6 with a $4 tip and it looks the same every time. but still, how could i possibly lose to conan o'brien, to this guy? seriously, how could i have lost to this guy? i don't get it. all right. the rep
conan o'brien.ut some reports came on about an on-line poll about who had the best head of hair on television. conan came in first. i was chosen second. a close second, but second nonetheless. in my defense, it's hard to compete with a man whose head can be molded into a giant pompadour. and he can do more tricks than i can. >> we inject it into this part right here and little steel girders are inserted. this is structurally very sound. look at that. can mike wallace do that? i didn't...
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conan o'brien.rd, but some reports came out about an online poll asking who has the best head of hair on television. conan came in first. i was chosen second. a close second, but second nonetheless. in my defense it is hard to compete with a mane that can be molded into a giant red pompadour and he can do more stupid hair tricks than i can. watch this. >> we use a german cement and inject it here. then little steel girders are inserted. this is structurally sound. watch what i can do. look at that. see that? can mike wallace do that? >> no. >> i didn't think so. >> i can. i'm not afraid to admit it. it stung coming in second. i have spent thousands of dollars at top salons. i try cutting edge hair products and i'm not afraid to take risks with my hair style as you see. the truth is i pay a nice guy named isaac, $16 and a $4 tip for my hair cut on the street and it looks the same all the time. how could i have lost to conan o'brien -- this guy? the report came out a couple -- seriously. how could i h
conan o'brien.rd, but some reports came out about an online poll asking who has the best head of hair on television. conan came in first. i was chosen second. a close second, but second nonetheless. in my defense it is hard to compete with a mane that can be molded into a giant red pompadour and he can do more stupid hair tricks than i can. watch this. >> we use a german cement and inject it here. then little steel girders are inserted. this is structurally sound. watch what i can do....
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o'brien's report. >> dr. o'brien diagnosed marie noe with a mixed personality disorder. but dr.ing to learn more. >> it should have been a comprehensive leave-no-sto leave-no-stone-unturned evaluation. >> dr. feldman responded to dr. o'brien's report with a letter to the judge, william mazzola. >> the court had said that the money that would have been spent on her criminal prosecution and the money that would have been spent on her incarceration were then to be diverted to this once in a lifetime, perhaps, scientific study of what a person who may well have been the worst female serial killer in our nation's history. >> dr. feldman strongly believes a range of experts from varying fields needs to examine marie noe before she gets much older. >> i don't think it is ever too late to study her. >> i still think it is a brave idea for a sentence. mrs. noe is still alive, even though there have been, i think, a lot of fumbles on the way to this, ten years later, we're still talking about this case because it fascinates people. >> these murders occurred at a time when there were very
o'brien's report. >> dr. o'brien diagnosed marie noe with a mixed personality disorder. but dr.ing to learn more. >> it should have been a comprehensive leave-no-sto leave-no-stone-unturned evaluation. >> dr. feldman responded to dr. o'brien's report with a letter to the judge, william mazzola. >> the court had said that the money that would have been spent on her criminal prosecution and the money that would have been spent on her incarceration were then to be diverted...
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president o'brien: do we have any public comment on the motion? yeah. seeing, none, that is closed. do we need to take a roll call? any objection? the motion is passed. we will go onto the next item. >> thank you for coming out. we appreciate it. >> are you going to take reservations at your bowling alley? ok, good. >> item 8, director support of a report on the office of small business and the business center. update on a department programs and announcements regarding the small business activities. just to note the legislative spreadsheet is included with the report. >> commissioners, starting out with the small business assistance center i have our numbers from july 2010 ended july 2011. we're down a boat are 8% increase. and we want to let you know that i am waiting authorization from the comptroller's report before it can post to the position but expect to be able to do that in december. next month we will recognize two intern who have worked in our office. we want to alert you to that. i also want to discuss the point of sale fee for electronic scanners. that has been in the n
president o'brien: do we have any public comment on the motion? yeah. seeing, none, that is closed. do we need to take a roll call? any objection? the motion is passed. we will go onto the next item. >> thank you for coming out. we appreciate it. >> are you going to take reservations at your bowling alley? ok, good. >> item 8, director support of a report on the office of small business and the business center. update on a department programs and announcements regarding the...
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president o'brien: ok, thank you. much appreciated. next item, please. clerk: commissioners, you are now on item 7, the presentation and discussion on the possible impact fees for 3176 17th street. we have a presentation from sommer pederson. commissioner, any remarks? commissioner: i invited sommer pederson to be year to talk about your experience with the impact fees. we're going to be coming up with doing some discussions about some joint agenda items with the planning commission, so this is designed to be an informational presentation to you in terms of what our small businesses, especially those looking to open businesses in the eastern neighborhood, with the impact of the eastern neighborhood, and the mta transit fee, and so, i have invited sommer to be here with a presentation. you know, in terms of preparing for you as we move forward, looking at this topic that has been on the committee project list. commissioner: 0, again. >> could evening. -- good evening. we learned a lot of this year about opening a business. it has been an eye-opener. i'm g
president o'brien: ok, thank you. much appreciated. next item, please. clerk: commissioners, you are now on item 7, the presentation and discussion on the possible impact fees for 3176 17th street. we have a presentation from sommer pederson. commissioner, any remarks? commissioner: i invited sommer pederson to be year to talk about your experience with the impact fees. we're going to be coming up with doing some discussions about some joint agenda items with the planning commission, so this is...
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i am james o'brien. for all of us at "bbc world news america," thank you for watching, and we will see you back here tomorrow. >> make sense of international news at bbc.com/news. >> funding was made possible by -- the freeman foundation of new york, stowe, vermont, and honolulu, newman's own foundation, and union bank. >> union bank has put its global financial strength to work for a wide range of companies, from small businesses to major coporations. what can we do for you? >> "bbc world news" was presented by kcet, los angeles. nouncer: this program was made possible by: >> ♪ i'm a whirlibird... >> chuck e. cheese's, proud supporter of pbs kids, solutes all the parents who know staying active with their kids is fun and healthy for them. >> ♪ i'm a whirlibird. >> pbs kids, where a kid can be a kid. rainforest cafe, proud sponsor of curious george, reminding you that anyone can make the world a brighter place by conserving our natural resources. when you're saving one can... both: you're saving toucans!
i am james o'brien. for all of us at "bbc world news america," thank you for watching, and we will see you back here tomorrow. >> make sense of international news at bbc.com/news. >> funding was made possible by -- the freeman foundation of new york, stowe, vermont, and honolulu, newman's own foundation, and union bank. >> union bank has put its global financial strength to work for a wide range of companies, from small businesses to major coporations. what can we do...
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jane o'brien reports from washington. >> there are almost 14 million asian-americans in the u.s. everyone has a different story. these photos focus on the korean term for ethnic koreans living abroad. all the works here focus on similar issues of identity and immigration, raising a complex question. what does it mean to be asian in america? >> what is the identity? it's something that i've inherited through heritage, or is it something that i have to confront through stereotypes? or is identity a practice that i compose in choices of how i stand, how i dress, how i choose -- make choices in my profession. >> all seven artists have different backgrounds, heritage, and life experiences, which reflect the wider asian-american community. these photos describe the clash of cultures when she moved to new york. while this one with japanese and mexican parents adapts traditional japanese or the trails. >> this painting is crossing the delaware, a knockoff of the famous american painting, in which the artist inserted himself into the role of george washington. >> shimamura is the oldest a
jane o'brien reports from washington. >> there are almost 14 million asian-americans in the u.s. everyone has a different story. these photos focus on the korean term for ethnic koreans living abroad. all the works here focus on similar issues of identity and immigration, raising a complex question. what does it mean to be asian in america? >> what is the identity? it's something that i've inherited through heritage, or is it something that i have to confront through stereotypes? or...
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and as a dangerous, bill o'brien, sally forth, chris harris, mike rizzo, angela , heidi, kimberly, al, ricky -- these people represent about every aspect of the agency's work from finance to real-estate to housing and everything. they along with the commission, along with the pac, along with mercy and the south of market health center, always it -- deserve a resounding round of deserve a resounding round of applause. >> it takes a lot of people to make this work. a lot of people to make it work. i would like to ask if someone from mrs. westbrook's family would like to come up and say a few words. [applause] >> don't worry. we are not all going to say a few words. as you can see, or if you have not met mrs. weber, you know that she is not a small woman. very tall. so you see why we all came out like that. everybody here -- i believe you have worked with her, or as we call her, madear. inside, it is a different story. where we came from, we did not have a lot of males around, but as you can see, she has raised a whole lot of them, and everybody is doing good, and everybody would like to
and as a dangerous, bill o'brien, sally forth, chris harris, mike rizzo, angela , heidi, kimberly, al, ricky -- these people represent about every aspect of the agency's work from finance to real-estate to housing and everything. they along with the commission, along with the pac, along with mercy and the south of market health center, always it -- deserve a resounding round of deserve a resounding round of applause. >> it takes a lot of people to make this work. a lot of people to make...
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tim o'brien reports. >> reporter: there are some things the government must do, and the first reason for tax is to pay for them. beyond that there is wide debate over how taxes can be efficient and fair and what kind of society they should promote. >> people on the left think that the tax code is not nearly redistributive enough, that the rich are really getting away with murder. people on the right think that it's not the job of government to be redistributing income and that the tax code we have is too progressive. >> reporter: greg mankiw was chairman of the council of economic advisers in the second bush administration. >> it's a difference of values, of what you think government should be, in coming to any sort of tax reform. those different values are going to collide, and there's no easy way to sort of reconcile these very different philosophical positions about what the scope of government should be. >> how should income and wealth and opportunities and the good things of life be be distributed? >> reporter: the collision of the competing views of the role of government is th
tim o'brien reports. >> reporter: there are some things the government must do, and the first reason for tax is to pay for them. beyond that there is wide debate over how taxes can be efficient and fair and what kind of society they should promote. >> people on the left think that the tax code is not nearly redistributive enough, that the rich are really getting away with murder. people on the right think that it's not the job of government to be redistributing income and that the...
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future holds for the conflict torn nation i'm joined by former bush administration official michael o'brien he's live in our studio in washington d.c. mr brown thank you very much indeed for being with us so now we have a temporary government with no experience of democracy a little knowledge of how to run a country almost no cash can stability really be built on such a fragile foundation. well we'll have to wait and see obviously kind of goes without saying but the fact of the matter is you know be careful what you ask for you might get it then again you may not the example of egypt that was just given they're not really they're a they didn't get what they were fighting for that may happen in libya as well. it seems that. the west is very there's a there's a bond between the libyan rebels and the western countries there's a lot of input. now what will have to do are a lot of you know a lot of interplay i should say but now we'll have to wait and see. the rebels who are still sort of you know exactly who are what are they and how will they did they are they just using the west to get to tak
future holds for the conflict torn nation i'm joined by former bush administration official michael o'brien he's live in our studio in washington d.c. mr brown thank you very much indeed for being with us so now we have a temporary government with no experience of democracy a little knowledge of how to run a country almost no cash can stability really be built on such a fragile foundation. well we'll have to wait and see obviously kind of goes without saying but the fact of the matter is you...
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gary tuckman in newport rhode island and soledad o'brien is in new york city. the evacuation orders for parts of new york was actually lifted minutes ago, hundreds of thousands of people left for higher ground ahead of irene but today the storm pushed the rivers on either side of manhattan over their banks and into the streets but good news now, a lot of water receded but just a little bit of wind they are still experiencing. >> just a little backdrop from soledad o'brien. it looks like a few people have left now. >> they are all on this side. you know, the wind has really picked up. it's funny, when you cutaway from me, the wind blows hard. when you come back it slows down. but the evacuation order lifted and we can expect to see people coming back from the high rises, evacuation zone a they called it chgs a mandatory evacuation, this is landfill and the concern was that if people didn't get out and the storm was as bad as they thought it would be and if lots of water rushed in there would be major problems in the high rises, they got people out here. now peop
gary tuckman in newport rhode island and soledad o'brien is in new york city. the evacuation orders for parts of new york was actually lifted minutes ago, hundreds of thousands of people left for higher ground ahead of irene but today the storm pushed the rivers on either side of manhattan over their banks and into the streets but good news now, a lot of water receded but just a little bit of wind they are still experiencing. >> just a little backdrop from soledad o'brien. it looks like a...
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soledad o'brien, thank you very much. fred, to you. >>> irene at this point expected to dump a whole lot of rain. of course it's leaving the new york city area making its way to upstate new york. they're already starting to feel the effects as well as connecticut. onto rhode island. that's where rewill find our gary tuchman in newport. you and i spoke yesterday and you talked about there were some who were actually considering riding out the storm in their boats. you're feeling the effects now. have they second-guessed that by now? >> reporter: the battle is not over here at new por, rhode island. it's great a lot of people did decide to ride out this storm on their boat bus this is the newport, rhode island, marina. but as you can see there are beautiful pleasure craft and fishing boats. people slept on them overnight. overnight it wasn't bad. but the rain has stopped. we had heavy rain for several hours that ended about an hour and a half ago and it seems like the worst is over, yet the winds have picked up. in this sta
soledad o'brien, thank you very much. fred, to you. >>> irene at this point expected to dump a whole lot of rain. of course it's leaving the new york city area making its way to upstate new york. they're already starting to feel the effects as well as connecticut. onto rhode island. that's where rewill find our gary tuchman in newport. you and i spoke yesterday and you talked about there were some who were actually considering riding out the storm in their boats. you're feeling the...
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, our committee recommended three members to be assigned to the committee that would be president o'brien, vice president adams and myself to join 3 planning commissioners to discuss these issues getting some headway going forward. the full commission is going to need to take action to establish that committee. i would think this is an appropriate time to move ahead with that? >> we have a date schedule. it is not an action item for tonight, and we have time, so it will be agendized for september. once again, i am very pleased that we will be able to start addressing things, a good, solid, working committee that we can discuss things and move forward. i believe everything else we discussed has been in front of the full commission. that completes my report. >> any questions? next item. >> permitting committee report >> there is nothing to report this month. >> outreach committee report. >> please do not have a report. >> president's report. >> just a couple of things. the commissioner pretty much covered everything as far as the subcommittee is concerned. the only thing she may have mentio
, our committee recommended three members to be assigned to the committee that would be president o'brien, vice president adams and myself to join 3 planning commissioners to discuss these issues getting some headway going forward. the full commission is going to need to take action to establish that committee. i would think this is an appropriate time to move ahead with that? >> we have a date schedule. it is not an action item for tonight, and we have time, so it will be agendized for...