why did you start. >> i was fascinated with the telephone system.d in a hobby called phone freaking and i loved doing magic tricks and pulling pranks. i was a prankster by heart. and as the phone company became more computerized, i wanted to get access to phone company systems to pull banks. one of my favorite ones was to change the class of service of a friend's phone to a pay phone so whenever he or his parents tried to make a call it would say please deposit 25 cents. (applause) so what did you actually do that got you arrested? >> well, i hacked into a lot of systems. can you talk about it you seem hesitant to reveal the contents of your book. >> no, it's all there. but i hacked into a lot of systems. and i actually was a fugitive from the government for a number of years. >> stephen: for three years. >> for three years and playing this cat and post game with the fbi because i must have been a little bit crazy. >> stephen: were you actually taunting them. >> not taunting them but i was watching them through the cellular phone system as i was abl

dialing ) ( telephone rings ) >> it was a sunday morning. >> fbi. >> but i was in my office and i was reading intelligence, and i saw a report that indicated that the man who had plotted the world trade center bombing in '93, the ringleader, ramzi ahmed yousef, he was about to move within pakistan, and there was a small window, a closing window, to catch him. and so, thinking there might be somebody at the fbi on a sunday morning, i called. >> narrator: o'neill had made his reputation investigating white-collar crime, drug rings, and abortion clinic bombings. >> i said, "who's this?" and he responded, "well, who the hell are you? i'm john o'neill." and i explained to him, i'm from the white house, and i do terrorism, and i need some help. and i told him our story on the classified phone line, and he went into action. >> narrator: in 20 years, he'd chased a lot of bad guys, but nobody like ramzi yousef. >> yousef is one of the most dangerous people on the planet, very smart. getting him and incapacitating him was a significant public safety issue, and john o'neill recognized that, was

and that telephone was meant for communicating with government officials go over to the line was shut down at four pm on august eighteenth. gorbachev remained in his residence moreover measures to isolate him were reinforced still further valarie shah was the one who caught at the gate to the residence during two k.g.b. officers from moscow kept a close eye on him along with other local agents. special measures were taken when a truck was stationed on the help to prevent helicopters from touching down or a tractor with a trailer outside the gates was meant to prevent motor vehicles breaking through into the compound. reinforce security precautions were introduced throughout. to be yet army general valentyn but a nick of was one of the key figures in the coup attempt on august the eighteenth one thousand nine hundred one he visited gorbachev at his residence in the crimea which. asked the soviet president to recognize the legality of the coup. a good day to be we knew what we were going to do to make it nice told him all the good somehow befitting to state of emergency gorbachev retort

at one point we even used telephone lines to reach out to our audience there was no link between the studio and the transmitter so our engineers use an analog telephone line by all accounts those words are a billion times the level of the students who assumes it's meanwhile the coup organizers called a press conference in moscow many took note of kanada you know it's troubling hands he named himself the country's head of state claiming little which offered fallen ill. the press conference reached a turning point after a question from touchy an american or the then twenty four year old journalist of the may do you realize that what you have a down to do is a coup do you see parallels with your actions in soviet history nineteen seventeen or nineteen sixty four. was for your clear him that a coup took place during the night. you said i would disagree with you just because all legal and constitutional norms work complied with so i could ring it off and just say that they looked hesitant would be an understatement and they looked as if life was dying out of them and there was no vitale t

within a minute, someone had called him back with his name and his telephone number. she called and told him that the limousine he was falling -- he was falling carried rupert murdoch -- the daughter of rupert murdoch. just to add to the list of papers that might not exist. i do not think the independent or the independent on sunday would exist. he made it much more possible to produce newspapers. i am not sure the guardian either. >> he has extended by 10 years the working life of print journalists in this country. >> rupert murdoch as bogeyman, i do not think that has been the case for some years. i think for several years, there was a sense that, the man has poured lots of money into journalism. i would not quite -- i would not go quite as far as now you are going. i disagree. this is not about a liberal -- it is part of this great liberal left conspiracy. this is a story that nick davis was out there. i am born to bring down the most powerful man. -- i am going to bring down the most powerful man. the biggest selling newspaper in this country. to suggest somehow t

that was the message colonel gaddafi delivered today over the telephone line from an undisclosed location. even as he spoke, rebel forces advanced in two towns that controlled access to tripoli -- zawiyah and garyan. if the coastal town falls, rubbles will control the main supply route from tunisia to tripoli. >> tripoli is starting to feel like a city under siege. the power cuts are taking their toll. one family brought out candles, and then their certificates. weapons training, provided by the government to loyal men and women. >> i am ready to take up a gun, ready to defend my country and gaddafi, who has done so much good for us. >> outside, gaddafi agents were on alert. as we left, we and our government minders were stopped. they took our government permits as armed loyalists checked every vehicle. >> this chart point we have been stopped at is manned by local people. we are told there are similar checkpoints across tripoli. at the moment, it is not normal. it is here because of the war. it is a sign of the tensions in the libyan capital right now. this is only increased the tension.

his broadcast appeal was made over a telephone line from an undisclosed location. rebel forces advanced into two accounts that control access to tripoli, zawihah and gharyan. the rebels will control the main supply route and, from aaa. >> tripoli is starting to feel like a city under siege. the power cuts are taking their toll. this family brought out the candle, and then the certificates. weapons training, provided by the government to loyal men and women. >> i am ready to pick up a gun, ready to defend my country and gaddafi, who has done so much for us. >> outside, gaddafi agents were on alert. as we left, we and our government minders were stopped. they took our permits as armed men checked every vehicle. >> this check point we have been stopped at is a man by local people. i am told there are similar checkpoints across tripoli. it is clearly not normal. it is because of the war. it is a sign of the tensions in the libyan capital right now. >> this has only increased the tension. 30 miles to the west, rebel forces are celebrating and the advance. the opposition

i suspect there are a number of telephone lines that we do not use the we are paying for. the city and county of san francisco eliminated cell phones for most of their employees. how many cell phones to we paid for? there is an elephant about non- payment of school lunches. quite a few families of the district money for that. having done a lot of budgeting in my daytime work, i think it is important we look at cost savings, not just ways to spend additional money. vice president yee: focus, focus. i have to agree that summer school is important. i guess in moving that discussion of why we are even having summer school, i want us as a district to not just focus on thinking that summer school is the only answer. we have to look at other solutions for students that have to go to summer school. i am sure they would rather do something else during the summer and there are ways we could help them during the school year. i think that commissioner murase points out a few things that could possibly generate a few things. i think if we were to take a more aggressive look at keeping

in audio only on a crackley telephone line. he called on his supporters to prepare for the fight, cleanse the country, he said. the blood of martyrs will fuel the battle. out in the desslat housing estates of eastern tripoli, though, the mood was different. they were worried about our cameras so we blurred the pictures. this man told me gaddafi must go. and now listen to this man's anger. >> we hate gaddafi here. >> everyone? >> everyone. >> it's hard to gauge how many agree. the rebels are now closer to tripoli than ever. the army we assume will fight back. this war may have entered a decisive phase. >> for more on this i'm joined on the line by a resident of zawia who doesn't want us to give his name but he can tell us what's happening now. thank you very much for joining us. just tell us about the rebel advances in your city. >> well, the rebels are mostly spread all over the city. and they control more than the city. and the gaddafi forces are still in the northeast side of the city. where there's the main hospital and ther

telephone wires?nnon knew it was electricity. it was not satisfactory to say we're dealing with electricity either. there was something else, not electricity, not words, not characters, what was it? well, we know the answer. the answer wasn't orve. >> host: right. >> guest: shannon was not the first person to start using the word information, and information was not the only word he used. sometimes people talked about intelligence. there's an early letter where he writes 20 one of his teachers that he's doodling around trying to work on a general mathematical formulation of ideas having to do with the transmission of intelligencement well, wrong word. we know that now. >> host: right. >> guest: the point is they needed a word, and they chose information, and he was measuring it in terms of bits, and that made it a quantity fieble -- measurement to work with. >> host: one of the sort of splendid ironies i sort of sensed in your book was the idea that here we are, you know, these very frankly wet, messy