reagan called f.d.r.'s concept of freedom nonsense he called it communism and he pivoted the nation toward a new definition of freedom and one republicans like ron paul and rick perry promote bill clinton continued the redefinition of freedom and ended welfare as we know it today half the great society has been repealed and the new deal centerpiece of social security is under attack regulations that keep us safe are being repealed taxes on the rich and corporations that pay for the social safety net being dropped and despite republicans like to claim americans are more free from the government than they've ever been since the great depression. and what do we see happening working people's wages are going down more americans are living in poverty than in any other time in this nation's history at least one hundred million americans are unemployed fifty three million americans are without health care more than forty million americans can't afford to put enough food on the table for their families are free al

thirty years of successfully drilling holes in the new deal now they're just openly bragging that f.d.r.'s new deal is the get out. the new new deal paul ryan's new deal pretty easily summed up in four words the republicans are constantly pushing and various forms of code using phrases like personal responsibility and freedom he's four words you're on your own. paul ryan's budget what he calls the road map is that new contract that billionaires want to impose on the american people a contract that renders the american dream obsolete and no longer rewards hard work with a good middle class lifestyle no social security no medicare no labor unions no free education no health care no vacation is no retirement until you're dead no home no car nothing unless you're willing to go into debt up to your eyeballs why it is the billionaires don't want to pay their share to make sure the rest of us have any semblance of economic security it's really just that simple ever publicans win the election two thousand and twelve get used to the lifestyle of the working poor. luckily so far republicans only

with the american people they needed to realign the american economy away from a middle class for f.d.r. and republicans like dwight eisenhower positioned it and give it back to the alligators. they started those thirty years ago ronald reagan busted up path into the air traffic controllers union and triggered a generation long battle against labor unions today labor unions all of which one in three americans used to belong during the fifty's have largely disappeared with the only real one in ten americans enjoying the protections of organized labor and as labor unions went into decline over the past few decades so too did the middle class is sure the wealth dropped from close to thirty percent in the one nine hundred sixty s. to about ten percent today as the billionaires gobbled up more and more money so much so that just four hundred families now have more wealth than the bottom one hundred fifty million americans combined. with reagan they were subtle about it they said they like social security and medicare they even like unions they just want to protect it but after thirty years o

told me that joe kennedy told her that f.d.r. told him. that he put him in charge of the securities exchange commission that he created in thirty five i think it was or thirty three or because it takes a thief to catch a thief. was the look at the news and she she thought that was hilarious actually she would she put it very strongly dislikes joe kennedy he took a pretty bad advantage over financially or otherwise but that was when the step taxes first the most recent that was its most recent incarnation it was also in place during the spanish merican war and from then and sold what sixty four i think it stood a fixie and at that point it was generating such a surplus because it was originally put in there just to fund the seas see that it got blown up during one of the you know i don't know how but we jordan johnson ministration. i don't know if you saw the the the sixty minutes thing about the you know whoever gets their computer closest to the wall street compute super computers can do this. under their young men yes i think it's a trad

f.d.r.f in 1936, and ronald reagan followed suit in 1948 despite the horrific jobs numbers they were fatesing, particularly for f.d.r. who first took office with unemployment as high as 25%. i'm joined by alan lic thisman. alan, good morning. nice to see you. >> same here, alex. >> so file time making sfleen says f.d.r. and reagan argued that the country, though in pain, feeling improving and that his -- is that a strategy that might work for president obama? >> i think you're absolutely right. what you mentioned is very important. that the last trend of the economy for both of those presidents were awkward and that americans were very unhappy with the policies of their predecessors, herbert hoover on the one hand, and jimmy carter on the other hand. let's also remember those were very powerful presidents, unchallenged in their own party, running with no strong third party challenge, no great disasters abroad, and running against a weak challenger. >> do you think the president can deliver a

now live below the poverty line now keep in mind the historical statistics that no president since f.d.r. has been reelected to a second term when the unemployment rate on election day top seven point two percent so it looks like a bone might be in some serious trouble another sign could be new york district elections last night which ended in a republican winning for the first time in almost a hundred years add to that the controversy surrounding cylindrica the solar panel manufacturer which was heavily subsidized by the federal government and which recently went bankrupt and not only put a good light on obama's promise of green jobs but even more damaging white house e-mails made public last night show that the obama administration rushed through approval of a five hundred and thirty five million dollars loan of the company now congress is investigating the close ties between the president's inner circle and the cherry picking of cylinder to get a loan so you can bet republicans are going to ride that went through all the way to the elections next november now these clearly aren't the

ought to be postponed for a while, and that's what harry truman did when we went into korea, what f.d.r. did when we went into world war ii, and it's very fair to say, republicans were in congress, i got nowhere with that argument. you're quite correct. the costs were added on. i'm just saying that when you look forward at the problems that alarm me, and i really believe should alarm every american who cares about the american promise of upward mobility that's at the heart of this country, then relit gaiting that is not going to get us very far. the real question is what steps can we take to... >> jon: that's a fair point. when we come back then we'll talk a little bit about the steps that we can take and we won't re-litigate. we'll be >> jon: all right we're back. we're talking with governor mission daniels. we've been dancing around, but getting more directly to the point, it seems like the republicans are doing everything they can to protect the wealthiest people in this country through policy and through rhetoric. and i guess i'm just not understanding why. and i'm having a problem.

ought to be postponed for a while, and that's what harry truman did when we went into korea, what f.d.r. did when we went into world war ii, and it's very fair to say, republicans were in congress, i got nowhere with that argument. you're quite correct. the costs were added on. i'm just saying that when you look forward at the problems that alarm me, and i really believe should alarm every american who cares about the american promise of upward mobility that's at the heart of this country, then relit gaiting that is not going to get us very far. the real question is what steps can we take to... >> jon: that's a fair point. when we come back then we'll talk a little bit about the steps that we can take and we won't re-litigate. we'll be well, thank you both for coming. oh, thank you so much. i love the vermeer collection. vermeer? dutch painter? only painted, like, 34 paintings? oh what an odd name. you've got like five of them in your hallway. those were actually in the attic when we moved in. we just both really love the color yellow. uh... [ host ] you guys are a lot of fun. yeah. [ m

ought to be postponed for a while, and that's what harry truman did when we went into korea, what f.d.r. did when we went into world war ii, and it's very fair to say, republicans were in congress, i got nowhere with that argument. you're quite correct. the costs were added on. i'm just saying that when you look forward at the problems that alarm me, and i really believe should alarm every american who cares about the american promise of upward mobility that's at the heart of this country, then relit gaiting that is not going to get us very far. the real question is what steps can we take to... >> jon: that's a fair point. when we come back then we'll talk a little bit about the steps that we can take and we won't re-litigate. we'll be an airline's job, is to take you from where you are... to where you need to be. and we're not just talking about points on a map. with a more intuitive delta website and mobile app... and the most wifi equipped planes. we let you be everywhere at once. innovations like these are extending our reach so you can extend yours. and now, even at 30,000 feet you

moment, that the american people need an f.d.r. moment and that that moment has to be about creating jobs for people right here in america, for rebuilding our manufacturing sector, for investing in research and development and innovation and creativity, for taking those 150,000 bridges across this country that are falling apart. and i know when i drive over a bridge i don't say, is this a republican bridge or is this a democratic bridge. what i say is, is this a bridge that can get my car over that waterway safely, and when i look at that bridge and i see the steal beams, i know those -- steel beams, i know those are steel beams manufactured by the people right here in the united states. when i look at the asphalt and cement that covers that bridge i see work that took place right here in the united states. when i look at those bridges and these 150,000 bridges all across the country that need to be rebuilt by hardworking americans, what i see are the light posts up by the bridge with the electricity running through them or the sol

for f.d.r. running for a second term in the great depression, the unemployment rate was 16.6%. he won anyway but the important thing there was the trend down from 19.8 when he took office. in modern times the president re-elected with the highest unemployment rate which was ronald reagan in 1984, 72% rate. gerald ford, jimmy carter, bush 41 all lost campaigns for a second term, weighed down by unemployment. we asked the matthews meter, 12 of our regulars including howard here, can barack obama buck history and win even if the unemployment rate is, say, up around 8 1/2? 11 say yes, he can. one says no he can't. howard, i think you're with the 11 yes, he can. >> i'm with the 11. >> even up around 8 1/2. >> just because it's a matter of context. you can't make absolutes in politics. it's a game of context, depends on the context. sadly but necessarily, the obama administration is going to say there's a new normal and he's trying to work us out of that new normal but he's going to point backwards and blail george bush and that's still going to work with some people t depends who he

for f.d.r. running for a second term in the great depression, the unemployment rate was 16.6%. he won anyway but the important thing there was the trend down from 19.8 when he took office. in modern times the president re-elected with the highest unemployment rate which was ronald reagan in 1984, 72% rate. gerald ford, jimmy carter, bush 41 all lost campaigns for a second term, weighed down by unemployment. we asked the matthews meter, 12 of our regulars including howard here, can barack obama buck history and win even if the unemployment rate is, say, up around 8 1/2? 11 say yes, he can. one says no he can't. howard, i think you're with the 11 yes, he can. >> i'm with the 11. >> even up around 8 1/2. >> just because it's a matter of context. you can't make absolutes in politics. it's a game of context, depends on the context. sadly but necessarily, the obama administration is going to say there's a new normal and he's trying to work us out of that new normal but he's going to point backwards and blail george bush and that's still going to work with some people t depends who he

that it had a high copper content so probably what this was back in the seventy's was the remnants of f.d.r.'s kollin of gold coins it was called coin melt if they had any good deposit gold which is point nine nine five gold the only form of gold that's good for international trade they certainly would have showed a room full of that my theory is that despite the fact that the u.s. government carries the largest amount of gold on its books some two hundred forty eight million ounces but they probably have zero except to some of this remnant coin melt it was it was well well known at the time local newspaper coverage for knox kentucky where the gold was shipped out by rail and truck to the federal reserve bank in new york we don't know what percentage of it but at least a large percentage was sent over to london to try to keep down the price of gold during something called the london gold pool and probably once all the gold was cleaned out of fort knox that's when nixon closed the gold window and so that's what happened actually it's funny that we're talking about gold but you are against a

from one man they originate from the people from the bottom up from jefferson to lincoln and from f.d.r. to raid these men who presided over great changes in america did not create revolutions they simply seized control of a nation pregnant with revolution and oversaw the transformation and in some cases guided if president obama discovers his inner revolutionary and steps forward with that voice and message and behavior will get reelected and then he will have to carry forward with a revolution on the other hand a president obama doesn't want to be a revolutionary if he doesn't want to take on the banks toure's if he doesn't take on and actually reverse reagan's counter-revolution. that's actually fine because the young people assembled in manhattan. and all over the nation will it's already starting that's the big picture for tonight for more information on the stories we cover and visit our web sites at tom hartman dot com free speech dot org. also check out our two you tube channels there are links of tom hartman dot com this entire show is also available as a free video podcast on

three percent that's down from a high of sixty nine percent down below the average of president since f.d.r. and a new york seat historically held by a democrat went to a republican for the first time since one thousand nine hundred twenty three also poverty has hit record highs according to new census data all of this but my next guest argues that the country's problems are not about obama they're not even about politics they are about society needing a total overhaul earlier i spoke to peter joseph he's a filmmaker and founder of the movement he's fresh off the inaugural media festival it just wrapped up and he was on our show to talk about some of the solutions proposed by the movement here's what he had to say. well to understand the solutions you really have to understand what the problems are in the broader view what we're faced with right now is basically the end of a paradigm with respect to our social system it's not ending because of some bad policy or some political mouth eason's story kind of economic issue it's ending because it can no longer sustain itself by the natural evolu

debt and deficit and when democrats raise taxes i mean you know from from you know harry truman and f.d.r. back in the thirty's raising to the top tax rate up to ninety one percent we end up with a balanced budget. yeah sure that is correct i think was your idea is that if we raise everybody's taxes will perhaps the taxes on no not everybody just billionaires and rich people everybody else will sort of get a free ride corporations are already overtaxed i say how about how about instead of investments that show is lowered just in our bridges in our roads we were to invest as every other developed country in the world does in our intellectual infrastructure what if we just started giving every anybody who wanted it a free college education like you know most of the countries in europe do well you mean everybody meaning american citizens yes or you mean anybody who happens to hop the border and come in and break our bank let's just start with american citizens ok no i don't think we should just hand it away i think there should be some sacrifice so the people who receive the education percei

depression unfortunately in many regards we're seeing more similarities to the hoover response than the f.d.r. response which is unfortunate given that the response had a much less positive outcome for the country i think we are going to see an extension of the payroll tax deduction which will be helpful i think we'll be seeing it sold as a new program when in fact it's kind of an extension of an existing program we're going to see a grab bag of some other programs that looks like including a special outreach for putting construction workers back to work to fix the country's beleaguered and really kind of dilapidated infrastructure that's a good idea although i think this might go into the daily dollars short file it is a good idea and addition to which i think we're going to see some direct program attempting to address the forty two percent of americans who are unemployed right now who are what we call the long term unemployed because they've been out of work for twenty seven weeks or more and that really begins to be chronic it's harder to reenter the labor force and we know that those pro

thousand eight hundred by the time that population doubled in one hundred thirty years so that when f.d.r. was sworn in there were two billion people it took and it took him to the other is fourteen years of believe it when j.f.k. was sworn in. as being over thirty years when j.f.k. was sworn in one thousand sixty three billion people jury forty four billion people one hundred seventy four thousand nine hundred eighty six five billion people george w. bush to two thousand two thousand one six million people and now we're getting seven billion people the question has been what's driving this relentless it's a lotion in the human population and arguments about put forward that it's a women need access to birth control or they need access to fully developed economies but there is birth control and there's fully developed economies in the world where women are having six eight ten twelve kids what is it it's power we find out that when women have equal power population will stabilise in one single generation so when women women have equal power nations are less likely to go to war and are hum

the be old deal which we could call f.d.r.'s new deal that deal of a strong middle class. was no longer viable by by a by the by the notions of reagan and thatcher basically. would it not be more correct to say that it was because there was so many people who wanted to be included and it was breaking the back of the deal would it not be more accurate to say that it was that the deal was no longer viable if there was still to be a and rich class. well yes exactly i'm not saying is where they got all the little that they would have had to change the economic system and in fact not only do they have new british consul they have new birth cross which seem to want more and more of a share of the pie which in fact since reagan and thatcher they've been getting the division of wealth has been dramatic as specially in america the impact has been. a massive lowering cost mobility people don't seem to realize that we're no longer nearly as much land of opportunity as we used to be places like sweden actually have much higher a possibility than we did in fact among the thirty four e.

had already started to go down, and that was the highest unemployment rate of any president since f.d.r. when a president was reelected. this is bad news at a white house that is getting a whole lot of bad news lately. >> pelley: yesterday, the white house and congress couldn't agree on a date for the president to speak to congress about jobs. i wonder what that looks like going forward in terms of the more difficult issues. >> well, they did. the president wisely decided that since republicans said he couldn't make the speech on wednesday, he wisely decided to say "okay, let's go ahead and do it on thursday," and get that part over with. i mean, this was shaping up as something that wouldn't do credit to a group of ten-year- olds out on the playground about what date they were going to have this speech. the president's people had first claimed they didn't know that there was a republican debate going on at that night. well, if they didn't know, they must have been the only people in america that didn't know. they finally came back and said, "okay, we'll just do it." so at least that ha

in the week when i saw that there is a class war going on here in the united states a war between f.d.r.'s new deal and the fundamental american perspective that if we all work hard and live on a ball wives then we can achieve the american dream and the new raw deal i'd say that the super rich don't want to pay their share and the result is that the rest of us don't have and some bones of economic security and the billionaires along with their bought and paid for right wing echo chamber have already taken up arms and drawn the battle lines and i called on all of you to get involved. these billionaires are just want to watch and cycle just one election away from fantasy finishing it off for once and for all their thirty year war against working people that have been kicked off inserted by ronald reagan just want to election away from killing off fifty hours a new deal replacing it with paul ryan's new deal for billionaires. james hoffa knows what we're up against a knows that charles koch isn't afraid to shell out millions of bucks to win this war so what charles koch and the oligarchy f

scrap the entire system of the products of thirty years of reeducation in our schools that have forced f.d.r.'s new deal in the history of labor off the pages of our history books are the products of a broken down news media that no longer gives people the facts needed to make a well informed vote they are the product of hundreds of right wing think tanks that spew lies as if they were facts same social security's a ponzi scheme welfare recipients are usually drug addicts and the truck in the tax cuts for the rich create economic growth and just on and on it goes they are the product of iran's arguably sociopathic philosophy of the socialist selfishness is the highest ideal and this philosophy by the way is now enjoying a well funded resurgence in america thanks to millionaires and billionaires who dusted off her old message from the fifties knowing that if they can get enough people to buy into it. and they can rise to power and create a united states for the super rich or as iran call them the producers or as frank luntz calls them the job creators ironically in iran in iran's book atlas s

there's a chance that he may be a calm but transformational president like ronald reagan was like f.d.r. but i think only if we make him only if there is a movement that strong enough that he has to go back and find his way in relationship to it and you know is a movement that was created before barack obama that took back the congress that challenge bush on those. beat him when he went you know it's really is running as a wartime president. that inspired a young barack obama i think there's something moving out here that i can get in front of and be part of. and that set the stage for that scene you just showed where he was calling people for the change that the country was desperate for and now we've got to recreate that movement i agree and you're doing a fine job of it with the take back the american dream conference it's going to be here in d.c. once again when we're ready. this this month coming monday through wednesday in d.c. at the hilton hotel come to our web site our future daughter work you can register still it's going to be an incredible gathering of activists and leaders

i do car insurance just for everything it's an acceptable slavery i mean there's plenty of people f.d.r. had a lot of problems pushing his agenda through congress to through the supreme court at the time remember they were voting down his proposals because they thought they were unconstitutional you don't have to go to the confederate states of america i think certain programs might be unconstitutional what i find amazing is how can he assured us sitting here the period. when i read i well maybe that's what he's saying and i agree with you for the first time i believe and i'm i've done more to go and i you know it's always good to read what you're in and you write you know i read it i refer to the republicans as the person the people that wrote and wrote the confederate states. yes what i'm referring to is that i think there's tremendous similarities in their policies and their attitude you we said here is that this is not the same governors that he wanted to sleep from the nation i mean that's not confederacy i don't know what is and of course now that he's running for president it was

americans who are now living in poverty your choices are yes they will tax the oligarchy just like f.d.r. truman eisenhower kennedy johnson nixon ford carter and clinton did in the past or . bush should reagan's economics of tax cuts for the rich and screwing over the working people will prevail we're going to target those no you think the poll will be open until tomorrow morning. crazy alert don't go in the spot seriously and guys you know you may not want to look a fifty six year old man in china went to a beauty spa this week to bathe eels that eat away dead skin are supposed to make people look younger but let's just say things didn't go according to plan i'll sit in the water the man felt an immense pain in his manhood reason region and realize the one of these slimy eels was trying to wriggle its way into his body through a rather small hole he later told a trainees newspaper i tried to hold it take it out but the deal was too slippery to be held and it disappeared up my. you know and and then had to have an emergency three hour surgery to remove the six inch slippery eel from his

f.d.r. i mean this is a big thing was all the farmers. be according to cia factbook at the time that we began bombing afghanistan in two thousand and one the g.n.p. or the g.d.p. of that nation was two billion dollars so here you've got a country the second poorest country in the world with a g.d.p. of two billion dollars. the bush administration had effectively the year before at least reduced the opium. you know we don't know how but forty million bucks was a lot of money. it was reported the washington post. that the taliban had offered to arrest osama bin laden and turn him over to a third country not the united states which with their country for trial if the bush administration would present any evidence that he was had something to do write a lot and i pretty much everybody was horrified a lot of how different would the world be even george bush and. arrest him. put him on trial in the hague or something like that you know would present the evidence and by the way here's a couple billion dollars to rebuild your country and we're sp