lederman is arguing that there is no such thing as a d.d. o. s. attack a d.d. o. s. is a protest it's a digital sit in it is no different than physically occupying a space it's not a crime it's speech now so far it seems like a number of indicators point to those arrests and sweeps against anonymous and law may also use the same defense strategy so do they have a legal point well joining me to discuss that is nico merely a lecturer in public policy at harvard kennedy school and the founder and president of echo ditto dot com because i want to thank you so much for joining us tonight and for starters any speculation here as to whether this is a real anonymous attack or not when it comes to the new york stock exchange i mean the interesting thing is that it's on monday which is columbus day which is a holiday that's just the website so it's i go to the strip trading. i mean it's impossible to say but it looks like fun one way or the other. all right through before we get into some of the legal questions here tell us again one more time we've done this many times on the

now if the video is real then what they're planning another d.d. o. s. tacks especially the same tactics that anonymous used to briefly take down pay pal and mastercard but this raises a larger question here as to whether d.d. o. s. attacks are legal or not secretly there's a case in santa cruz california where a homeless man is being accused of setting up a d.d. o. s. on the city's website in protest of a camping not his attorney jail lederman is arguing that there is no such thing as a d.d. o. s. attack and e.o.'s is a protest it's a digital city and it is no different than physically occupying a space it's not a crime it's speech now so far it seems like a number of indicators point to those arrests and sweeps against anonymous and law so may also use the same defense strategy so do they have a legal point well joining me for this cause that is nico muhly again trying to lecture in public policy at harvard kennedy school and the founder and president of eco ditto dot com if you want to make you so much for joining us tonight and for starters any specul

s attack coming towards the new york stock exchange we're going to ask if d.d. o. s. is really a crime or a list of form a protected speech or how all that and more if you're not including a dose of happy hour but first let's take a look at the mainstream media has decided to miss. the numbers are starting to come out about how much g.o.p. presidential candidates have raised in the last campaign period and the mainstream media is of course all over it. the money determines the front runners in a political contest no down about who is out front with perry fund raising numbers are very very good news for the texas governor seventy million dollars twenty two thousand individual donors from off of the states and rick perry's cash on hand when all is said and done about fifteen million dollars romney is expected to have raised about fifteen million dollars in the third quarter. now there are a number of things at play here the one hand does it matter who raises more money but of course it does our political system is set up in such a way that let's face it whoever has more

course you know some of the style of the attacks and the things that anonymous has done including d.d. o. s. attacks and i've had a conversation with her on this show with someone who thinks that those actually should count as protected speech and you can just consider it a virtual setting let her take. i mean that's certainly a gray area and i think that's something that is going to come up and within the court system going forward i think the dangerous thing to do you know especially when you're talking about creating laws in stiffing penalties against these denial of service attacks is dangerous because a lot of people lying deede dawson attacks with hacking in there are two entirely different things you're not actually breaking into a corporate network and pulling out data and that sort of thing you're simply sending a tool to shut down the ability for people to access a website so they're two different things so i think it's important for lawmakers to understand the difference between the two as per the possibility that they could be considered a type to be considered a digital sit in

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