desalinization. but when this came before us for the first time, the most recent time, there were three of us here. i was uncomfortable with the public concern of lack of opportunity to weigh in and that this out -- and vet this out. my concern was there was not sufficient opportunity for members of our public to engage us in the merits of even having the study continue. given the resolution, and in particular whereas no. 3, which i think is significantly exhaustive -- and then with respect to the description of the agreement at no. 4, the item you place for our consideration regarding public outrage -- the then commissioner -- ad then -- and then commissioner torres's comments about prioritizing -- i wondered whether we could consider the flexibility in terms of the approach with the public. i wondered whether we would give the public an opportunity, through these engagements, to maybe tell us what their priorities were, depending on who showed up. house staff decides to -- how staff decides to coll

the carbon footprint of a desalination site? we are aware that our energy intensive. a key thing we have been keeping our eye on is membrane technology, the key to the future. we are trying to make it more viable and bring energy use down more. membranes have not yet made it a slam dunk. last but not least, public and regulatory outreach is where we are going to meet with members of the public, as well as regulatory agencies, to go through what we are learning in terms of the studies and where we may go. we have estimated our staff time component would be about 340 hours, about $35,000, on top of the cash cost which would contribute about $200,000. those dollars add up to roughly a million dollars of expenditure. on the left of the slide, we have a diagram of the public outrage plan, which in the case of san francisco and the west beirut -- we have identified three public meetings. one would be later this winter to go through detailed scientific studies. about a year from now, we would meet to go over what we are finding it preliminarily, the information coming out. f

that is true for desalinization, delta water, or diverting a river. we need to know what we are dealing with to make informed choices. continuing and completing the study is not picking a winner right now. we urge you to look at all possible water supplies as part of good planning. that is what we are here to support. thank you. vice president moran: thank you. is there any additional public comment? >> commissioners, what is your pleasure? commissioner courtney: not only did i find it compelling, but i appreciated everybody who showed up. the conversation enlightened me on a few different issues. i am hoping we can send a strong signal. while i take mr. brooks's comments to heart, i want to apply that kind of evaluation a little bit differently. rather than balancing the value of applying to hundreds thousand dollars to a continuation -- $200,000 to a continuation of a study about which our partners are enthusiastic, balancing that with doing other things which would employ workers, which i made no secret that i represent workers -- i hope we would c

desalinization will represent a choice between different water supply options. we think it will undermine conservation options, decentralize options that are important in san francisco -- the urban agricultural movement, the use of groundwater and creeks. i would encourage sfpuc to become a leader to further those issues and work with the community to reinvest ratepayer dollars into the community. i think that would be more appropriate. we are seeing water demand declined all over california, and that is good. there are different reasons. it is important to work to keep water demand low. that needs to be worked out, insuring revenues are met. we are selling our model. how can we do that, encourage conservation and keep demand low? it has been pretty flat in california over the last 25 years. los angeles uses the same amount as 25 years ago, and have english progress in their backyards. that is why we are opposed to this current project. we have seen so much excitement about desalinization all over the state, yet a single project has not been built in the last 20

desalinization is one of those options. there is a limited number of supply options. none of them are cheap and none of them are ready to implement. we have a full array of information and hand. in this case, the regional partnership spreads the cost across several agencies. during any project, this will still require an environmental review. some questions remain to be answered. i will review a little bit of the project history here and start by who are the partners and who could benefit. the participants are shown here on the map. the history of the project is back to 2003. there was a pilot study performed in 2010. we work with staff among the agencies to try to flesh out institutional issues that need to be dealt with. we are looking at a site specific studies to help give us the information and make a decision on. each one of those stars represents when it was before the commission as an individual item. we have also identified this in broader manners. this has been going on since 2003. we would like to make a decision as to whether this is worth pursuing or not.

the new zealand government and the red cross sent water and desalination equipment. they're checking to see how to support the island nation. takielau also declared a state of emergency because of the lack of rain. >>> kiribas is facing a possibility of. >> on the road to tarawa, the capital of kiribas. because of climate change the ocean is rising. the waves pounding the shore can seriously damage it. the waves caused the courselias to erode and uproot trees. to protect themselves from the waves, locals built sea walls but they're not as effective as they once were. the village has asked the government for funding to build a higher wall. but the government doesn't have the funds. the local residents are doing their best to protect their homes by raising them. finding usable water has also become a serious challenge. arthur cuwango lives with a 13 member extended family including his wife and daughter. the rising level means sea water has started seeping into their water supply. >> it tastes more salty. it wasn't before but now it's getting more salty. >> reporter: t

a desalinization process utilizes water from the sea. the ceo of the public utility board tells us about another way singapore has met this serious challenge. it is a recycling process called "new water." >> water is an infinite source. if you can recycle every drop 100% efficiently, you have an infinite supply. you have a closed loop. we are able to achieve about 50%. the idea of new water is to find the technology to be able to recycle in a cost-effective way. new water came about because of the breakthrough in technology, particularly in membrane technology. we set up pilot plants. over three or four years, we experimented. we collected data. by 2002, we knew that we were ready to scale up on a large scale. >> people listening to the conversation are wondering if you are talking about toilet water or water from the sink where you have washed the dishes. all of this is under the heading of reclaimed water? >> the technical part is to make sure that we ask the experts that we're confidence in it is safe. the second part is persuading th

then this all gets caught up in the midst of what is often called desalinization. s. khrushchev eventually comes, becomes the supreme leader in the soviet union, and part of his strategies in power was to move away a little bit from the worst of the stalinist violence. he starts a process of releasing the political prisoners. and this will take place at last half of the 1950s. but the gulag in terms of thinking of it as a forced labor camp system, it never collapse. it never goes away in the soviet period. it turned its attention almost exclusively towards the hardened criminals. there are still a number of prisoners are held throughout the soviet period, but accountability small part of what the gulag system does. and, frankly, if you look at the former soviet union today, and you look at some of the different locations there, you will find that using prisoners in forced labor is something that hasn't gone away entirely even today host mac you're watching the tv on c-span2, and we are on the campus of george mason university in fairfax, virginia, talking with some of

. >> the biggest challenge now is to figure out the desalinization process for water because there is a lot of water in the oceans, but we've got to get the salt out of it so people can drink t i wonder why that's not possible, why we can't proceed with that kind of technology. >> there are a lot of things we have to work on to provide for the staggering numbers. i just want to really quickly say this week's kids post, they're going to break it down in numbers. if it's the number of m&m's to fill how many olympic sized pools, they'll take a look. >>> culpeper, virginia, will get the hollywood treatment next weekend. >> actor corbin bernsen hosts the new show "25 hill." it's about a young boy that starts building a car before his father leaves for afghanistan. culpeper is home to three champions of the soap box derby. >> i like it, putting culpeper on the map. >> absolutely. >> i think, if i remember correctly, it was named as one of the nicest cities in the country as well. not cities, streets. sorry. it's early. >> good driveways here. >>> 5:26. 36 degrees. coming up, joe, you have t

it's got four bedrooms, a library, desalinization system on the boat. and he's up on the debt, the hedge fund manager to use to work for me, hedge fund managers melting down. it's all going that. the great critic eruption. this is about a week and a half before everyone starts to see it. and this guy sound narrow, hedge fund guy is cursing into the sun. robert advised obama really mostly a contributor he ran a lot of the wall street money raising for obama. he sees the daneyko said to the flying deck of his boat. there's a deck at the top of a little pool on the attack. any cause obama on his birthday. i mean, their friends. he says, happy birth day young man. the chat for a minute about your kids and their wives. obama had called wolf's wife on her birthday to days before. he said basically i haven't been an advisor to you, barack. within a contributor in print, but she's got to see what i've seen from here. we have a market driven disaster coming. it's a once-in-a-lifetime event that's going to change everything. and wolf lays it out for an inflamed s

they are putting solar panels, enabling saudi arabia to desalinate water with solar energy.mean, they have become the biggest partner of saudi arabia right now. i mean, heaven forbid, once they get enough military might there, we're going to lose all clout in the middle east. >> meanwhile, you look at the american political debate, the american political debate doesn't include a talk about debt restructuring or a conversation about job creation and on the scale as it were, and the fact of the matter is the government couldn't create 30 million jobs. the creation of industries is the only thing that will create 30 million jobs and what you've said is we want the president to hire 30 million people. it's piercing the veil of innovation with that type of thing that allows that sort of thing. >> it's win, win, win, only if we get the message. please, america, wake up. we're all americans. we're not republicans and democrats. we're all americans. let's wake up. >> time that we all walk away from lefty and righty and do forwards and backwards. >> forward. >> forward. >> there's so

along the coast they are going to desalination plants which takes saltwater from the ocean, takes thealt and the particular matter out and provides freshwater. the problem with that is that it is very expensive. it takes a lot of power so it is expensive and creates greenhouse gases to extract those salts. once you extract the salts what you do you do with that? the salt and rind it comes out is a very concentrated rind. if you push out to see it tends to kill or hurt wildlife so desalination is something i think we are going to be seeing much more of in the future along the coast in particular. but, it is not the silver bullet that everybody has been looking for. and the second thing that is happening in orange county particularly as they are using human sewage as a potable water source. now, that sounds disgusting to a lot of people, but actually it uses somewhat the same technology as desalination which is reverse osmosis. it cleans water to an ultrapure degree. in fact water so pure that they have to add minerals back into it because it is not healthy for you to drink it. what the