we have reviewed carefully the gao's report and its recommendations, and we agree with the gao that the misuse of controlled substances is a growing problem to the medicare part d program. it is difficult to quantify the extent of the problem but we agree the problem can do more to curve potential fraud and abuse. at a time of scarce resources and significant budget deficits, we must ensure every federal dollar is spent as wisely as possible. since the part -- program is relatively new to date our focus has been to ensure the medicare beneficiaries receive the drugs they are entitled to. the medicare part d program pays plans, a payment and works to make sure the part d plan provides drugs consistent with the program's requirements. our compliance efforts in recent years have been focused on the underunitlyization of drugs. we have audit resources to ensure they receive the drugs they need at the point of sale. we placed sanctions on part d plans that failed to deliver benefits consistent with the law and our regulations, but the part d program reached a new state of maturity that we no

we have reviewed carefully the gao's report and its recommendations, and we agree with the gao that the misuse of controlled substances is a growing problem to the medicare part d program. it's difficult to quantify the extent of the problem, but we agree the program can do more to curve potential fraud and abuse. at a time of scarce resources and significant budget deficits, we must ensure every dollar is spent as wisely as possible. since the part d program is relatively knew to date, our focus at cms is to ensure the medicare beneficiaries receive drugs they are entitled to. the part d program pays a plans a payment and works to make sure the part d plans provide drugs consistent with the program's requirements. our compliance efforts in recent years have been focused under the underutilization of drugs. we have audit resources to ensure beneficiaries receive the drugs they need at the point of sale. we placed significant sanctions on part d plans 245 failed to deliver benefits consistent with the law and our regulations. the part d program has reached a new state of maturity that we

that's the finding of a just-released gao report. find out more with the gao's head of information security issues, greg wilshus

greg wilshusen is the director of information security at gao. jill itorros at washington business journal. this has been "the communicators." >> sunday on "newsmakers", senator tom harkin, chairman of the health education and labor and pensions committee. he will talk about the committee's work on the child left behind act. also the status of jobs legislation. that is at 10:00 a.m. and 6:00 p.m. eastern on c-span. >> tomorrow on washington journal, the talk about the future of libya. alex lawson, the executive director of social security worke, has details of the 6.3% increase in benefits next year. and a political roundtable with politico's senior reporter

greg wilshusen is the director of information security issues at the gao. jill aitoro, senior reporter at the "washington business journal." this has been "the communicators." >> middle and high school students it's time to get those cameras rolling for this year c-span student kim video competition. make a five to eight minute video on this year's theme, the constitution and you come and get it to c-span by the deadline of january 20 and he can win the grand prize

gao was required to hold the hearing today in response to the grand jury.y would be doing a great disservice if it does not audit and hold a separate hearing on the cost overruns for the central subway project. since the cost overruns will come from the general fund. gao should order an independent agency, not the controller cfa audit function. to audit this project focusing on change orders that have occurred today. as i narrow some design omissions on the rebuild, resulted -- design errors and some design omissions on the rebuild resulted in more money spent on the project. as mr. reiskin, then director of dpw must have known, since they track of change orders. they have done next to nothing monitoring change orders. gao short order them to aggressively monitor change orders on this and all other capital improvement projects. if an independent audit reveals cost overruns from the central subway, the city family running city hall, including this subcommittee, will be remiss if it does not cancel this boondoggle immediately. before this project bankrupt's t

before joining gao, she led the city wide analysis unit of the district of columbia's budget office,nd we thank you very much for being with us this morning. >> thank you, mr. chairman. senator franken. thank you so much for inviting us here today to discuss the effects of the recent recession on older adults. while the recession officially ended in june 2009, the economy has experienced a weak recovery with unemployment above 9%. older adults, particularly those close to or in retirement, may not have the same opportunities as younger adults to recoffer from the recession's effects and still ensure they have sufficient savings for retirement. my testimony today will present the results of our work tar this subcommittee on older americans' well being. a report, which is being released today, presents data from various, mostly federal sources concerning the financial status of older adults. i'm accompanied by michael collins, our assistant director for this project. things were not especially great for older adults in 2007, before the recession. we previously reported that older ameri

before joining the gao she led the city wide analysis unit of the district of columbia budget office and we thank you very much for being with us this morning. >> thank you, mr. chairman. senator franken, think you for inviting us here to discuss the effect of the recent recession on older adults. while the recession officially ended in june, 2009, the economy has experienced a weak recovery with unemployment still above 9%. older adults, particularly those close to or in retirement may not have the same opportunity as younger adults to recover from the recession and still a sure they would have sufficient savings for retirement. my testimony to the would present the work for the subcommittee on older americans wellbeing. our report which is being released today presents data from the various federal sources concerning the financial status of older adults. i'm accompanied by michael collins our assistant director for this project. things were not especially great for older adults in 2007 before the recession. we previously reported that older americans were heavily reliant on social

he has a n 18-year career with the gao.e has spent over 20 years auditing of financial management and information systems. prior to joining gao in 1997, he was the senior systems analyst for the department of education. he held senior auditing positions with the u.s. army audit agency. thank you for being here. we have a rule of five minutes testimony. we have your written statements. they will be included in the record. we will ask you to go in the order i introduce you. mr. speyer's, the chair will now recognize you. -- mr. spires, the chair will not recognize you. >> i will discuss the changes cloud competing is having in the government and apartment homeland security. i will discuss how dhhs is addressing the security challenges associated with it. cloud competing enables federal agencies to purchase on demand i.t. services using a consumption-based business model. we pay for the usage of the service itself whether it be per kilowatt hour or minutes of use for cell phones. many services are becoming commoditized and len

the gao found i.c.e.officials told us because the amounts are so low fines do not provide a meaningful deterrent. the amount of the fines bp in the opinion of some i.c.e. officials so low they believe that employers view them as a cost of doing business making the fines and an effective deterrent and what happens to the workers when it declines to arrest them they go down the street and not on the door to the next employer and take jobs away from american workers. dhs also signaled it may grant administrative amnesty to potentially hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants currently in the removal proceedings and many of yours that have yet to be placed in proceeding. but we know that when this administration issues illegal immigrants and grants 19% of them work authorization. how can dhs justify granting work authorization to illegal immigrants when so many american citizens don't have jobs? 23 million americans who are unemployed or can't find full-time work must wonder why this administration puts il

you should see more reports occur, but when you look under these numbers as gao's done very carefullyas to be dealt with. >> this this report, the gao did make a number of recommendations, including the faa extend its oversight of terminal safety. the faa says it is now focusing on five areas and that changes in both procedure and training are in the works. >> thank you. >>> martin luther king jr.'s rise to the helm of the civil rights movement is seen from the eyes of someone who knew him long before the rest of word. that and much more coming. the postal service is critical to our economy-- delivering mail, medicine and packages. yet they're closing thousands of offices, slashing service, and want to lay off over 100,000 workers. the postal service is recording financial losses, but not for reasons you might think. the problem ? a burden no other agency or company bears. a 2006 law that drains 5 billion a year from post-office revenue while the postal service is forced to overpay billions more into federal accounts. congress created this problem, and congress can fix it. >>> dozens

. >> gao found that in 24, 25 instances 17 known terrorists, people who have been on watch lists have gotten through. >> reporter: but what about all the high-tech screening we keep seeing? >> the deployment of this advanced imaging technology equipment is sort of helter- skelter. some lanes have it. other lanes don't have it. so again it's sort of a system that's broken up. >> reporter: even as it has geared up from 16,000 employees to 65,000 in a country that has only about 400 airports. mica points to the shoe bomber richard reed, the 2009 christmas day underwear bomber, the exploding ink cartridge plot. >> it wasn't in any of the instances of terrorism that we've experienced so far. that was stopped by tsa. ♪ >> reporter: tuesday, he compared tsa to the marx brothers. >> well, marx brothers at least they were funny. it isn't my evaluation we have the general accounting office and others who have analyzed the effect in this of the system. and said it's failing. >> reporter: gary nuremberg, 9news now. >> congress and mica would like to see the tsa move to intelligence collection and

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. >> the gao found that in 24, 25 instances, 17 known terrorists people have been on watch lists havereporter: but what about all of the high tech screening we keep seeing? >> the deployment of this advanced imaging technology equipment is sort of helter skelter. some lanes have it. other lanes don't have it. so, again, it's sort of a system that's broken up. >> reporter: even as it has geared up from 16,000 employees to 65,000 in a country that only has about 400 airports. mica points to the shoe bomber, the christmas day underwear bomber, the exploding ink cartridge plot. >> it wasn't in any of the instances of terrorism that we've experienced so far that was stopped by tsa. ♪ singing >> reporter: tuesday he compared tsa to the marks brothers. >> marks brothers at least they were funny. as my evaluation, we have the general accounting office and others who have analyzed the effectiveness of the system and said it's failing. >> reporter: mica would like to see the tsa move towards intelligence collection and coordination with a smaller bureaucracy that would supervise private contrac

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gao report 05331 in june of 2005 at our request. and then, the gao the accountability offices contributed and four the other thing listed was budget cuts led to cost overruns caused a 2005 report that the gao. i just wanted to put that on the record. and again, you know, money is not the only issue. in monitoring contracts and i understand that what i want to do is get in the open on the record for members and stakeholders to understand, as we go forward to making decisions about budget issues, the decisions we make how it will affect nextgen. if you came in and said for the next two years is not a money issue a management issue, then that's fine. but if you said that if you cut 1% or 5% it's going to delay a two or three years, then we just need to know that up front so that when we cast our votes and would make decisions, we know what the consequences are going to be. but the only point i wanted to make for the record. with that, mr. chairman, i think our witnesses for being here and i thank you wrote in her hearing. >> i join in

and then there was a gao official who was a little bit more skeptical of cloud computing and its security, and you driebd him as a glass half empty person. >> guest: right. >> host: so the hearing's done, and you've heard what people have to say, so are you a glass half empty or half full guy? [laughter] >> guest: well, i think i have to pick up both glasses at this point in time, and the reason for that is that we shouldn't, we shouldn't shy away are from or somehow be afraid of cloud computing. it is a part of the advanced development of the computer world as explained to me by people that are far more technically advanced than i am. at the same time, some would say, well, look, this gives us a better opportunity to secure our data, and you would ask why said say that. well, if you've got a cloud that contains bits of information from a thousand different sources, there is more capital investment that can be made into that cloud than they would do individually, number one. and number two, they can keep up with it on an every second basis, and they can adapt more quickly to the fixes tha

and then there was a gao official who was a little bit more skeptical of cloud computing and its security. and you described him as the glass half empty person. so the hearing is done and you have heard what folks have to say. so are you a glass half empty guy or a glass half full by when it comes to security? guest: you may recall at the hearing i ask, which glass to have to pick up? i have to pick up both glasses. the reason for that is that we should not shy away from or somehow be afraid of cloud computing. it is a part of the advanced development of the computer world, as explained to me by people that are far more technically advanced than i am. at the same time, some would say, look, this gives us a greater opportunity to share our data. well, if you got a cloud that contains bits of information from a thousand sources, there is more capital investment that could be made into that cloud then they would do individually. and number two, they can keep up with it on and every second basic and adapt more quickly the fixes that need to be done. i happen to think that makes sense. on the

i think the problem may be even greater than what the gao reports revealed. especially if you look at some national perspective, certainly medicare part d looking at that peace. from a national perspective, prescription drug fraud and aversion is an enormous issue. i think there's consensus the. i think there's consensus on the concept you can go after this problem just one solution. you have to be monitoring closely. you have to have a frontal solutions -- up front solutions. then you have to notify the prescribers. you need to notify the patient. you need to try to get the patient if you think there's an addiction problem into the treatment that patient needs. and then you need to do something to control it. and i think the lock-in programs, recipient programs is probably begin what cms is going to hear a lot of from the part d sponsors. so, you know, i think you could do those lock-in programs in such a way that it does not interfere with the receiving of drugs that are needed by patients who actually need them. >> great. what do you think the consensus li

a lot of times there is a lag between the data gao has and what is currently happening. as we have improved our systems and as we have been able to merge or develop search engines that can quickly search different data bases, the numbers have gone up, the checks have gone up and we have developed a robust by graphic -- biographic system to overstays icech will go out and find. >> how many visa waiver entrants are there per year? >> i don't have that, i will get that. entrance? >> i did not have that number but it is a lot. >> show me the assessments that you have pursuant to this data program of people not returning to their home country. i appreciate that. thank you. senator hatch. >> thank you. welcome. we are happy to have you here. we appreciate the tough job that you have to do. it is a difficult job. immigration and customs enforcement officials conducted an audit on the weaver county, utah, jail. -- they included the facility -- they concluded that the facility does not meet the established ice detention standards. if they can no longer house 30 to 60 ice detainee

the gao found i.c.e.ficials told us because the amounts are so low fines do not provide a meaningful deterrent. the amount of the fines bp in the opinion of some i.c.e. officials so low they believe that employers view them as a cost of doing business making the fines and an effective deterrent and what happens to the workers when it declines to arrest them they go down the street and not on the door to the next employer and take jobs away from american workers. dhs also signaled it may grant administrative amnesty to potentially hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants currently in the removal proceedings and many of yours that have yet to be placed in proceeding. but we know that when this administration issues illegal immigrants and grants 19% of them work authorization. how can dhs justify granting work authorization to illegal immigrants when so many american citizens don't have jobs? 23 million americans who are unemployed or can't find full-time work must wonder why this administration puts ille

in the 2009 audit, the gao found the violations, and 380 of them were not reported. charles grassely says hud is good at writing checks but not the debt watching how the money is spending -- not good watching how the money is spent. >> it is very concerning. we think integrity in public confidence it is essential to doing our work and to make these statements without any background or information is very disturbing. >> the mayor's office issued this statement -- of course stephanie mayor -- maybank will -- mayor stephanie rawlings- blake will encourage an investigation immediately. >> a u.s. naval academy student will serve six months in prison, convicted of raping a student, and october of last year. the midshipmen claimed the act was consensual and was found guilty making a false statement to investigators. he has been dismissed from the naval academy. >> and maryland congressman says the death of american-born cleric anwar al-awlaki means america is safer. he was killed in yemen. the ranking democrat says it is the biggest blow to al-qaida since the death of osama

i sent a letter to you dated august 15 requesting information on your efforts to implement the gao's recommendations. i'm not received a response. here's the question. what are the department's efforts to implement the gao recommendations to improve the visa waiver program? so that we know that someone who comes here at least when they're supposed to leave. is supposed to be a visitor program, not a permanent program because that is right. i apologize that you don't have a response. you'll get one fourth left -- forthwith. a lot of times there is a lag between day-to-day -- what is growing happening. as we have improved our systems and as we have been able to merge or develop search engines that can quickly search different data bases, the numbers have gone up, the czechs have gone up and we have developed a robust by graphic -- the checks have gone up. >> how many visa entrance are there a year -- visa waiver entrance? >> i did not have that number but it is a lot. >> show me the assessments that you have pursuant to this data program of people not returning to their home country. i

that is the finding of a just- released gao report. find out more with the gao head of security issues, and tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern on c-span2. >> will and high school students, it is time to get the cameras rolling for this year -- middle and high school students, it is time to get the cameras rolling for this year's studentcam competition. get it in by the deadline of january 20 and you could win the grand prize of $25,000. for complete details go to studentcam.org. >> sent armed services committee chair carl levin says -- senate armed services committee chairman carl levin says that the u.s. should be prepared to defend if the pakistanis will not take on haqqani network. he talked about the death of muammar gaddafi in the future of libya. this is just over one hour. >> welcome to today's council on foreign relations committee. i will begin with the familiar warning to turn off your cell phone, as i just remember to do myself. also a reminder that this is on the record. >> now you tell me. [laughter] >> it is an honor for me to

iran targeted research, based on gao reports, tax returns, court records and data from agencies shows cost of egypt is at least $50 million per year from litigation by the top 20 in environmental litigants. what are the total cost? we don't know. that is why reinstating the audit costs since 1995 are critical. in conclusion, the actual payout of legal fees is just the tip of the iceberg. we estimate that it represents one fifth of the total cost. the hidden costs or the personnel time spent by the agency is reviewing procedures, defending procedures and often redoing the entire process. then there are the costs of the justice department attorneys defending cases. mr. chairman, members of the committee, this will is about the historic purpose of egypt, america's conservation community urges you to put equal back into the equal access to justice act in the interest of fairness, sound management of our natural resources and fiscal responsibility. thank you for your consideration. >> thank you, mr. baier. ms. ellis. >> mr. chairman, members of the committee, i appreciate the ability to co

why don't gao and sit there and watch what we do and take some notes, and then at half time come overo your thing. i expect there to be charts. >> i am working on the charts right now. >> i will go to a much better looking person, kevin. what do you make of the news? is this a big deal? >> you know, i still have his bobblehead on the dashboard of my car. it will be with me forever. i will always think of qaddafi in warm ways. the guy has been there for 40 years and since hitler they found him in some bunker. it is a typical ending of these people's lives. >> they always end up in a hole. williamson -- i will call you williamson. >> loved you on "second chance" by the way. >> thank you. >> i feel like i know you. does this leave a bad taste in your mouth because i imagine it does. >> look at the guys who did him in. that is the future of libya right there. they don't really look like allies to me. they claimed that they have taken a bunch of his arsonal. enjoy your flight back to l.a. there will be a surface to air missile at some point. i am glad to see him gone. he was a rotten ob --

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the gao also found that regulatory regulation for the reliance on self policing.i was pleased to hear the chairman said that the administration has taken some steps to improve security at the labs and i look forward to hearing what those are. while security controls must be improved within our own country, global security problems or even more daunting i mentioned syria earlier but the crossroads of terrorism, proliferation, biology and technology in the volatile countries such as pakistan are also troublesome. a multitude of the federal agency dhs, epa, hhs, cdc and usda and fbi among others all have some responsibilities for the bioterrorism. i will tell you it concerns me that so many different federal entities could be scrambling to respond during and after an attack, and that is of course in addition to the state and local health officials and first responders that are a critical part of the system as well. yet the exhibit branch does not have one agency or one offical that is clearly designated leader all elements of by a defense, especially the coordination

that's a finding of a just released gao report.find out more with the gao's head of security greg wilshusen tonight on c-span2. middle and high school students it's time to get those cameras rolling for this year's c-span studentcam video competition. make a 5 to 8-minute video on this year's theme the constitution and you and get it to c-span by the deadline of january 20th and you could win the grand prize of $5,000. for complete details go to studentcam.org. >> capitol hill has a meeting for the congressional republican health care caucus. today the group will hear from a former american medical association lobbyist and a health insurance broker. you're watching live coverage on c-span2. >> okay, let's go ahead and call this forum of health caucus together. welcome to everyone who's here today. welcome to all who are watching on the internet and i would remind those who are watching the live stream of this, that your questions can be tweeted to health caucus and they will be included in the question and answer period. we have tw

saw the't know if you gao report earlier this week as related to if this committee fails -- $1 trillion in savings is not sufficient is the word they used for stability -- a projected a credit downgrade. have you had a chance to look at that report? >> i have glanced at it. >> do you have any comments? >> they offer two scenarios -- one of which is close to our alternative scenario. the other day the u.s. closer to a core bloc. nonetheless, they limit the tax revenue as a share of gdp. our extended baseline scenario incorporates the rise in revenue to -- revenues relative to gdp that would persist beyond the next decade. both of their scenarios look for some are better scenario. it is a difference in policy assumption about tax revenue and tax policy. we certainly agree very much with the underlying point of the analysis that under current policy, the u.s. government is on a sustainable fiscal pattern the magnitude of changes that will be needed from current policy is very large. as i said last time, it won wide to consider extending the expiring tax provisions and limiting the reach of

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. >> this gao report documents operational errors in the terminal areas up 97%, 30 miles out from theirport, up 166%. and in other areas up 53%. the most severe airborne errors are also up by double. these are all very, very concerning. and micha is asking for the inspector general of the department of transportation to further investigate this, trace. >> you look at all the numbers, doug, and they're startling, or is this a case of more incidents being reported by air traffic controllers? >> curesly enough, that's what the federal aviation administration and its air traffic controllers union are reporting in separate statements this day. the faa says they began a new traffic a couple years back called the air traffic safety action program, which allows air traffic controllers to report mistakes, even their own mistakes, without fear of punishment or retribution. they say that is the singular reason that the number of cases has gone up here. still, though, they admit that doesn't solve the problem, the fact we know about these incursions merely raises a lot of concern. they say they'r

. >> one of the key risks of the gao report identifies the dependency on vendor. it was mentioned by dr. mcclure in the first round questions about the scenario in which you terminate a contract or a vendor ceases operation. any thoughts on how you protect against the vulnerability there? what do you have to build in to protect the government's the essential need at that point? >> that is a key risk to federal agency. when we did our report last may all 24 of 24 agencies cited loss of information as a key risk should the cloud service be terminated. in terms of being able to mitigate those risks it is imperative for agencies to established comprehensive service level agreement and specify clearly up front what the roles and responsibilities of the cloud service provider is as well as what the customer is with regard to providing information should they go out of business. it is also imperative that interoperable liddy and portability standards be developed and implemented so that agencies have the capability to take their information that is being processed by a c

the cost for nextgen as estimated by gao, has been somewhere around 40 billion initially and as high160 billion in some scenarios. however, there is debate over the urgent need to modernize the system but industry agrees with a price the price tag is high, we must get nextgen right the first time. with a project of this magnitude and complexity as well as a well coordinated fully integrated plan known to and agreed upon by all stakeholders along with supporting equipment standards is critical. today, we do not have a way forward on nextgen. there is no coordinated plan. now some of you know i am new to d.c. here, and i can give you a couple of great examples of that in just a moment, but i will give you an example of the point that aircraft manufacturers are delivering aircraft that possess capabilities that cannot be utilized either because of the current infrastructure, the infrastructure not being prepared to use the technology or the operational procedures necessary have not been approved. in addition government has required the installation of nextgen equipment including a tsb t

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>> well, i think it's a start, and what it tells us, according to the gao, is that there are very serious conflicts of interest. look, the fed is the institution, maybe the most powerful agency in the united states government, and their job, among other things, is to regulate wall street. well, the truth of the matter is it is people from huge financial institutions who sit on the fed boards that are regulating themselves. that may make sense to somebody, but it doesn't make sense to me, and what the report documents is that in a mum of instances people who sit on these fed boards and also high-ranking officials at financial institutions have been able to get programs and financial assistance from the fed to their own financial institutions. that is, to my mind, a real conflict of interest. >> interestingly potential conflicts of interest must be released by law in several areas. we do not. many directors own stock or work directly for the banks that are supervised. how is it that we've come to accept a conflict of interest that the whole western world would reject on its face? >> dylan,

to get a flavor of that, last year the gao came out with a report in which they looked out 10 of thelargest company bankruptcies in the past five years. and they found that of these companies, which include airlines, polaroid and some others, that companies spent 350 million paying their executives in the run up to the bankruptcy. so just in the few short years before bankruptcy when they're not putting money into pension plan, 350 million was going out to their executives at these companies. so it would be probably a good idea if there was something that halted the process or made it tougher for companies to dump the pensions. [inaudible] why don't you come if you have other questions, catcher. >> i just wanted to ask. it's very inflammatory what you're saying. what do you think the next step is going to be? are you hiring personal protection? last night and you know, what are you expecting in terms of company and retiree response? >> one last question. >> okay. none of this is a surprise to employers. i've been reporting on aspects of this over the past decade, and everything i've

. >> in terms of the things that are available to us, as we age, i'm struck by the gao report just outgroup of americans, including americans 45 to 54 and 55 to 64, the one group of americans for which poverty is not increasing are those eligible for social security. people who are 65 and up. it makes me feel desperate that social security be held on to and kept the way it is. how much pressure do you really see out there for social security to be privatized, to be also turned over to wall street? >> there's clearly some pressure and that's reflected in the segment you played from the republican debate. i don't think it is actually going to go very far. last time when president bush put it on the agenda, this was enormous and quite justified push back. if you go back to the 1930s, before social security was invented, the poverty rates among old people were absolutely appalling. if you go to the '60s before medicare was in, before we had a federal health care program for the elderly, there was an enormous amount of poverty caused by the health care bills of older people. those are very

just to get a flavor back last year the gao can now with the report and as they looked at ten of the larger companies bankruptcy's in the past five years. they found that all these companies which included airlines, polaroid cameras to mothers, the company spent 350 million pain execs in the run-up to the bankruptcy. suggested a few short years before bankruptcy when they're not putting money in the pension plan 350 million was going out to executives at these companies. so it would be probably a good idea if there was something that halted this process are made it tougher for companies to dump the pensions. >> tying the break, the hospitality break. if you have some other questions and shares of the -- >> very inflammatory what you're saying. who'd you think the next step will be? you hiring person protection? are you expecting something in terms of company a retiree response? >> what a recommend -- >> you know, none of this is the price to employers. reporting and aspects of this of the past decade, and everything have reporter ron has been bombed by them, and they have all had up