criminal defense attorney mark geragos joins me now. mark, for weeks now, you have been saying wait till the testimony of dr. white, the testimony of dr. white is going to be critical. how important do you think it was today? >> it was devastating to the prosecution today. but you have to remember, there wasn't any cross-examination. so walgren's got the entire weekend to kind of bone up, get ready, and come loaded for bear on monday. at the same time, the defense has got all weekend to prepare him, the doctor, for this. but i'm telling you, and i've said it before, anderson, as we've discussed, this is the most critical witness for this case, number one. and number two, they've abandoned, the defense has, this idea of gross negligence. they know that they're not going to win on that. what they are fixated on right now is causation. did dr. murray cause the death, or did michael jackson cause the death by self-administering? if you listen to dr. white, that's what raises reasonable doubt as to dr. murray. and that's -- i don't think the

criminal defense attorney mark geragos joins me now.timony of dr. white, the testimony of dr. white is going to be critical. how important do you think it was today? >> it was devastating to the prosecution today. but you have to remember, there wasn't any cross-examination. so walgren's got the entire weekend to kind of bone up, get ready, and come loaded for bear on monday. at the same time, the defense has got all weekend to prepare him, the doctor, for this. but i'm telling you, and i've said it before, anderson, as we've discussed, this is the most critical witness for this case, number one. and number two, they've abandoned, the defense has, this idea of gross negligence. they know that they're not going to win on that. what they are fixated on right now is causation. did dr. murray cause the death, or did michael jackson cause the death by self-administering? if you listen to dr. white, that's what raises reasonable doubt as to dr. murray. and that's -- i don't think there's an acquittal in the offing, but if they're going to get

. >> let's bring in mark geragos and sunny hostin from our sister network trutv. mark, dr.rray was more like an employee for michael jackson, not a doctor. pretty damaging stuff. >> well, it is for the evidence of gross negligence. and the prosecution has done a whale of a job proving that he was grossly negligent. the problem they've got is in order to convict dr. murray, they have to prove that his gross negligence caused the death. and i don't know that they've made that burden. their burden is beyond a reasonable doubt the pro pop poe follow and theed a minute strering is what caused his debt. it's the idea of causation. >> sunny, do you think they have enough evidence? >> i don't know what trial, mark, you're watching. the bottom line is, not only has the prosecution proved that conrad murray did not have the proper monitoring equipment, they proved that he shouldn't have been putting michael jackson to sleep with propofol but for those actions michael jackson would still be alive today. witness after witness after witness has testified to that. >> do you know what the

joining us the mark geragos.e defended michael jackson successfully against child molestation charges. and sunny hostin from our sister station on trutv. this is played in court t police interview. who does it help more the prosecution or the defense? >> i think it clearly helps the defense. you don't have to think back too far to the robert blake case where the prosecution played the barbara walters interview. he didn't have to take the stand, he wasn't cross-examined. he was able to get his story out. here you've got him clearly professing his love for michael jackson and everything else. i'm a little mystified as to what the gain was for the prosecution at the risk of putting in all this evidence. if i can tell you, kudos to your network, unlike some other networks for not showing the autopsy photo. it's inexplicable to me why that's being played by other networks. >> let me ask you this since you bring it up -- we're not going to show it. we have some standards here. why do you think the prosecution decided t

. >> let's bring in mark geragos, criminal defense attorney, who once represented michael jackson andnetwork trutv. mark, dr. shafer says that dr. murray was more like an employee for michael jackson, not a doctor. taking orders from the patient. pretty damaging stuff. >> well, it is for the evidence of gross negligence. and the prosecution has done a whale of a job proving he was grossly negligent. the problem they've got is in order to convict dr. murray, they still have to prove that his gross negligence caused the death. and i don't know that they've made that burden. their burden is beyond a reasonable doubt that the propofol and the administering of it is what caused this cardiac arrest. that is what the jury will be wrestling with. it's the idea of causation. >> sunny, do you think they have enough evidence by not having the equipment in the room? >> i don't know what trial, mark, you're watching. the bottom line is, not only has the prosecution proved that conrad murray did not have the proper monitoring equipment, they proved that he shouldn't have been putting michael jackso

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. >> joining me now, criminal defense attorney, mark geragos. he once represented michael jackson.mony there. not one, but six examples of deviations, gross negligence, the doctor said. how does the defense counter that? >> well, this is, i think -- i said early on, before the trial even started, this is the elephant in the room. this is, how do you get over the question of, is it such a gross deviation from the standard of care to give propofol in a house setting, so to speak? that's what they had to get through. that's what they're going to have to fight with. the defense is going to argue that even if he deviated from the standard of care, that did not cause michael jackson's death. and they're going to rely on a jury instruction that says, if something else intervened, if there was some other cause that was unforeseen, then, therefore, he is not guilty. they're going to argue that the other drugs that he had been shopping, that michael was shopping around for, that michael was ingesting, are what caused that lethal combination and caused the death. that's one of the reasons tha

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mark geragos is a former attorney of michael jackson's. he's been following this case closely. to start off with this. how damaging is this development to conrad murray's defense in your opinion? >> i don't really think it's all that damaging. one of the things people have to understand about this case is it's a circumstantial evidence case. what that means is that this judge at the close of the case is going to instruct the jury, if there's two reasonable interpretations, one that points towards innocence, one that points towards guilt, you must adopt the one that points towards innocence and find him not guilty. the defense is going to argue that this toxicology report is exactly what they would have expected, because the lorazepam dissipates very quickly. i anticipate that's exactly what they're going to put on in the defense case. this is nothing unusual for them. i think they expected it. all in all, i think the prosecution put on a good case, but i still believe this is probably a hung jury. >> wow. a hung jury. so does the defense need to do anything here to -- because s

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sanjay gupta and criminal defense attorney mark geragos both in los angeles this evening. we heard from the paramedic. he said he got to the house within five minutes of getting the call. when he arrived, dr. murray proceeded to tell him jackson went down just before he made the 911 call. he said when he touched him he was coal. his pupils dilated. how long would a body have to be dead in order to be in that state? >> well, it's sort of interesting the language they used, anderson, first to go from quote/unquote being down to actually dying. somebody who goes down from a cardiac arrest to actually dying, that can be several minutes, and then at the time that someone dies, several things happen, a lot of the muscles relax immediately in the body and that's why the pupils dilate. that can happen pretty quickly. as far as the body feeling cool to the touch, that's depending on lots of different things, including the temperature in the bedroom, the overall status of the body before the patient has died. so that's a little bit harder to pinpoint, but it would be at least severa

sanjay gupta and mark geragos both in los angeles this evening.amedic said i got to the house within five minutes of getting the call. when he arrived, dr. murray told him jackson went down just before he made the 911 call. how long would a body have to be dead in order to be in that state? >> well, it's sort of interesting the language they used, anderson, first to go from being down to actually dying. somebody who goes down from a cardiac arrest to actually doing, that can be several minutes, and then at the time that someone dies, several things happen, a lot of the muscles relax immediately in the bodies that's why the pupils dilate, that can happen pretty quickly. as far as the body feeling cool to the touch, that's depending on lots of different things, including the temperature in the bedroom, the overall status of the body before the patient has died. that's a little bit harder to pinpoint. it would be at least several minutes for the body to start to cool down, the pupils dilating quickly after that all happens. >> the time line that the

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. >>> mark geragos, damaging testimony there. six examples of gross negligence.>> well, this is -- i said early on before the trial even started this was the elephant in the room. how do you get over the question of is it such a gross deviation from the standard of care to give propofol in a house setting, so to speak. that's what they had to get through and that's what they had to fight with. the defense is going to argue that even if he deviated from the standard of care, that did not cause michael jackson's death. and they are going to rely on a jury instruction that says if something else intervened, if there was some other cause that was unforeseen, then therefore he's not guilty. they will argue the other drugs he had been shopping, that michael was shopping around for, that michael was ingesting is what caused that lethal combination and caused the death. that's one of the reasons that you saw the defense today fine tune some would say, others would say scrap their theory on whether he ingested it or not. >> in scrapping that or fine tuning it, you choose

. >>> let's talk about it now with mark geragos and a former federal prosecutor and legal contributorfense is to be believed, the doctor is trying to wean michael jackson off of propofol, he orders what amounts to basically four gallons of propofol. it's hard to believe he's trying to wean him off it, no? >> well, that does present a problem. i have no doubt that they're trying to deal with that. and they're going to deal with that. the problem at least for the prosecution is that they still are going to have to get over this hurdle that it was the propofol that he administered that killed him. when i say he, dr. murray. because they can -- he can order up as much propofol as he wants and i agree that if the theory was he's weaning him off it doesn't look good and undercuts that, but the fact remains if the propofol he gave him did not kill him and it wasn't at a dosage that would kill him, he's not guilty. so that still becomes a problem for the prosecution. >> sunny, even if it wasn't the propofol that he gave him if, he left an addict in a room full of drugs that jackson consumed a

and veteran defense attorney mark geragos says they have only one shot, admitting dr.was grossly negligent but insisting his mistakes did not kill jackson, miking did that to himself. >> he didn't cause michael jackson's death, that's what the defense argument is as far as i can tell right now. >> jim avila, abc news, los angeles. >>> and the sun will be shining on a solemn ceremony on the washington, d.c. mall, the dedication of the martin luther king jr. memorial seven weeks after hurricane irene forced the original event to be postponed today. president obama will give the keynote speech. aretha franklin and many others will be singing, and some of the surviving civil rights leaders who marched with dr. king, they will be there too. the martin luther king jr. memorial will finally officially be dedicated today. carved from granite and soaring 30 feet, it joins the pantheon of great american presidents with monuments nearby, washington, jefferson and lincoln where king gave his famous "i have a dream" speech in 1963. >> i have a dream today. >> reporter: joseph lower

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mark geragos is a former attorney of michael jackson's. he's been following this case closely.o start off with this. how damaging is this development to conrad murray's defense in your opinion? >> i don't really think it's all that damaging. one of the things people have to understand about this case is it's a circumstantial evidence case. what that means is that this judge at the close of the case is going to instruct the jury, if there's two reasonable interpretations, one that points towards innocence, one that points towards guilt, you must adopt the one that points towards innocence and find him not guilty. the defense is going to argue that this toxicology report is exactly what they would have expected, because the lorazepam dissipates very quickly. i anticipate that's exactly what they're going to put on in the defense case. this is nothing unusual for them. i think they expected it. all in all, i think the prosecution put on a good case, but i still believe this is probably a hung jury. >> wow. a hung jury. so does the defense need to do anything here to -- because som