law." the reason i liked "l.a. law" was that it was about the kind of business of law. you know? a lot of it was about the real, you know, business. you have to work hard in that context to get drama. it's harder to write a show like "l.a. law" because you have to find drama almost in the ordinary practice of law. to my way of thinking, you know, doing a crime show or even a criminal defense show, that's the easy stuff to do. you know? there's drama that's inherent in it. the hard stuff to do is say, like "the paper chase" where they're going to the library. really. so you've got to figure out a way to make that interesting. we did a show called "scavenger hunt," a massive search through all the libraries. and it's actually a very exciting show. but when we went to the network, they said, what are you shooting? we said we're shooting an episode with seven libraries. and they were like, we got to cancel this. how did osborn get here? you know? that's the hard kind of stuff for television. i'd like to see more of that. i am so sick of "law & order." [laughing] and all of that stuff

jewish law in cases and shariah law in muslim cases? >> kimberly: it has occurred? yes. do i think it's appropriate? no. we should not apply international law in the united states of america. we have a set of laws. >> eric: we have been told there are no states in the union recognize shariah law to be supreme -- >> bob: no, of course not. of course not. the question is do they use it in certain cases between people of the same faith? jews have done it. muslims have done it. what is the big deal? this is not chopping somebody's hands off. >> eric: once you open the door to anything, can expand and be used. move to topic two. a mexican i.d. is being issued in sonoma county, california. in other words, if you're a mexican illegal or legal for that matter, illegal can come to california, go to sonoma county and get i.d. that has your name on it, allowing you to do things like cash checks. even apply for driver's license. >> dana: when i first heard of this, irthought it must be just be for people here illegally and working. when we called t

no one is above or below the law. the rule of frame is the street people cannot sleep under the bridge, but the chief of police and the district attorney cannot sleep under the bridge. see how fair it is? it's equal. isn't it? [applause]

they want to break the law bank of america breaks the law jamie diamond breaks the law lloyd blankfein breaks the law just because they have selective amnesia doesn't mean that it absolves them from having broken the law well like barack obama said it's not necessarily illegal it is only illegal if the department of justice or the attorney general prosecute if they remember that their job is to enforce the law as long as they forget that their job is to enforce the law then it's not illegal that's what obama's saying are for go with the law is not for it's technically not legal how is this guy. but going back to this final point i have here max because i want to get through this the bankers are saying that the the protesters out there are marxist here's a headline brooks brothers bolshevism michael semple asked the chief investment officer of j.p. morgan chase roe in july of this year and clients only newsletter obtained by the washington post that profit margins have reached levels not seen in decades and reductions in wages and benefits explain the majority of the net improvement pri

segregation was still not yet against the law. and particularly for white southerners, this novel, which caught on, you know, famously and quickly, it gave white southerners a way to think about how they were raised and to think about the system in which they were raised. it did so perhaps in a way that a political speech didn't do because it was told through the eyes of a child. it was a popular story that wasn't just about race, it about growing up in a small town. it was about coming of age. it was about love. it was about lonliness. it had all the suspense. the novel had so many elements with which to draw people in. >> so the tremendous amount of -- about harper lee. i know she never wrote another book. it was a pulitzer prize-winning book, and the film won the academy award. and yet she never wrote another book. what did you learn about harper lee and her reasons? >> well, i was fortunate enough to get great access to two very close friends of her. a new york city couple who gave their friend, harper lee, money. they remain

no one is above or below the law. the rule of frame is the street people cannot sleep under the bridge, but the chief of police and the district attorney cannot sleep under the bridge. see how fair it is? it's equal. isn't it? [applause] >> actually, we'll have the d.a. here and the chief of police. so we can ask them that question. [laughing] now, sheldon, you've written books about a fictional defense attorney. the stories that you tell really get into, i think, the issues and stories of our time. and that's why your books have been so popular. first of all, you know, how did you become a writer? why did you become a writer? and how did you end up writing did a criminal defense attorney in san francisco, of all places? >> i was not told i would follow tony serra. i need to go back and prepare a little more. [laughing] i learned something, too. i guess i better stand up. [laughing] i'm really honored to be here. i'm the toy department. i write novels about the types of cases that lawyers like tony handle. in the dayt

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that is opposed to brazil, where you have 1000 law schools, you can open a law school for a couple hundred bucks, and they have a huge failure rate. we are working with the brazilians, other colleges, law schools. i spoke to their major university about these issues, and they are doing what they can to increase. i would tell them to make sure that the legal education is a quality legal education. it is the first of to have a monopoly, so you can control the lawyers, and make sure they are acting in an ethical way. i think there was a third part of the question, what would i tell them not to do. by the way, before i get to that, in vietnam, i recently met with the president of their bar association, similar to the american bar. in most countries, they have a government bar association that is part of the government, in effect. then they just have an non-club federated are. the person was a 70-year-old viet cong that was the chair. one of the most interesting conversations i ever had. someone who did not told anyanger, -- not hold any anger, but wanted information and help from america. the

law school where she was editor of the law review. please would join me in welcomin's rnadine strossen. [applause] >> thank you. it is nice to have a reunion. ed was my most frequent sparring partner on calvinist topics because we disagree on just about everything with one exception. i want to know the exception because it is relevant to the incident that happened here. freedom of speech. i always agreed to defend freedom even for controversial expression which some perspectives includestorohn yoos controversial views. i am sorry i didn't get to a is nise the protesters. i would have told them standing there silently with placac.s eng nt would have been protected free speech as we defend it at nc. york la school. when i was invited to share the podium with pohn and ed i wrote back and said their 2:1 isn't exactly fair. i am. cf1 o ng to frame this. i don't think you could ever be outmatched. seriously i am happy to have participated in the book that done and being edited and one of the things i want to flag as the book illustrates is

immigration law. do you think that alabama has drawn the lines too closely? is it too strict of a law? >> no. i mean, the federal government has failed in this area so states are using their own mandate to protect their citizens and implement laws because the federal government failed to do it. now, the law is going through litigation, and recently, a federal appeals judge just upheld many portions of it and struck down areas she felt were not lawful. but, you know, this just speaks to a greater problem that we're running into here when it comes to illegal immigration. and the fact that first of all, the fact that they are mandating checking the immigration status of students, it is not -- they are not required, schools are not required to turn the kids in, this is merely for reporting purposes. >> but -- [ laughter ] >> the federal law prohibits schools from denying children to go to school. >> but the names of parents will be attached to the names of the students. >> we shouldn't be educating illega

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in her daughter's law school class. >> and son in laws. >> yes. i wanted to thank you for coming out here. not everyone is willing to jump out of a plan on to an inflatable slide. [applause] >> i will not claim that as part of my journey here, but i had a unique invitation from the hastings law school. i think it was evan lee who said, here is the program for the san francisco opera in september. pick any one. mary will invite you as our guest. [laughter] saw last night, we sought a remarkable production. i think there were performances remaining, so i highly recommend it. >> i gather you did get to the opera despite the fact of being late? >> and that's the first act. it was a david hockney-designed production. stunning. >> i wanted to go back to talk about your past and early life. you often said the person who influenced you the most was your mother and her two key messengers were to be a lady and be independent. i was thinking about that, and for many women of her generation, they would not have seen it as a problem if a wife was supported by

supreme court struck down part of arizona as public financing laws. that part is very analogous, virtually identical, to san francisco's laws. the purpose of this legislation was to make sure we were in compliance with the supreme court. i appreciate supervisor kim's objection, but this is to -- but this has been decided by the supreme court. we are not here to decide it. it is that president we have when we say idyllic -- when we say ideology is more important. we are being reactive to the u.s. supreme court. that applies to us here at the board of supervisors as it does everywhere else in this country. scores of other jurisdictions are amending their laws and, just to reiterate for the public, arizona, connecticut, florida, hawaii, maine, nebraska, north carolina, west virginia, wisconsin, albuquerque, and particularly in new haven connecticut. these jurisdictions all amended their finances and had them struck down by a court of law. we need to too to avoid a lawsuit. we are playing roulette with taxpayer dollars. i appreciate supervisor kim enter c

new law actually making it harder to register new voters. unquestionably it is and it's it's very unfortunate because your viewers i'm sure are very familiar with the year two thousand and difficulties that florida faced as really the poster child in the country not to run elections we've made a lot of progress since that year with new machinery a paper trail the expansion of early voting and then what we've seen just in the last few years is that berry consistent efforts make it harder for our citizens in florida to get registered and harder for them to cast their vote just just this year in the legislative session they put into place a number of laws and the voter registration difficulties that you alluded to with a high school teacher is just one of several elements they cut early voting hours and days than have made it harder for people around the state asked regular ballot and they pretty much clamp down enormously with this new set of very burdensome very vague and as one supervisor of election put it i thought very eloquently a frustr

when i was in law school there was a professor of constitutional law who wasn't a law but an academyian that he could serve on the court. >> that's right. >> charlie: regrets over these last years. you said there was only one decision. >> regrets? i suppose there are a lot. if you changed the decisions in which i was the dissenter to make the majorities i would be very happy. >> charlie: would you like to have been a quote swing justice as justice o'connor was and justice kennedy clearly is? >> well i think i may have been on a fai number of cases too. >> charlie: between justices. >> as i mention in the book, i know there were cases when i first keep on the court and one sat on my rig and one on my left and the eight seniors voted and they were four to four and i would like to say i agree with bill. there were a fair number of cases in which i ended up as the supreme justice. >> charlie: that become the most important person in the court at that moment doesn't it. >> i suppose that's ght in a way. >> charlie: if you had in your han and your power to create the majority, then ... >> ass

the nuremberg laws were rules by law. what exists around most of the world and in cuba today come in my own experience, is that the most powerful, the most privileged, get together and decide what rights, if any, the minority have. the united states constitution is the rule by law. the rule by law is to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority. it is the classic definition of law. now, the rule of law is what justice kennedy and justice roberts recently spoke about. in their opinions, one was involving the flag-burning case. texas vs. johnson. the other one was by justice kennedy. the other one was by justice roberts very recently in the demonstrations of military fit -- demonstrations at military funerals. they both said the same thing. they said, we don't like what these people did. as a matter of fact, what they did and their beliefs are abhorrent to most americans, and to us personally, but unless we protect their rights, all our rights are in jeopardy. and that is why the concept of a constitutional demo

for lawyers it is very expensive to practice law.chnology has changed so dramatically and i don't have love books and common sense and some people he can talk to and investigators and things like that. today the cost of practicing law whether you are a big or small firm is an enormous one as are the versions that face our trial courts all over the country. i think one of the challenges for us as lawyers and for us to write about the law is to try to address the issues that are beginning to overwhelm the courts, which is why they go into arbitration and mediation takes years and years to bring a case to trial and the cost so much money that most people can afford it. businesses don't want to pay it. so the economic issues are pressing to the point where, in the states i have tried cases, major problem is people that have no lawyers. they call them pro-say. is just an enormous problem. people are not represented by lawyers because they can afford them and lawyers can afford to give their practice over to representing those people who m

if you went to law school, the one book you would have read before going to law school was "the paper chase," and this is a book that john j. osborn wrote. has really become a classic. and it, of course, spawned an oscar-award winning film, same name, and also a television series. he's also written an incredible article about "to kill a mockingbird," so we're going to ask him about that. next we have paulette frankl. and paulette is a courtroom sketch artist. now, how cool is that? that's a pretty cool job, and she spends a lot of time in the courtroom and that's how she came across tony serra. and she spent 17 years, 17 years compiling the incredible book that she's put together that just came out and is called "lush for justice," and it's a book of incredible illustrations, artwork as well as a narrative. and right next to her we have tony serra, and tony serra is the most prolific trial lawyer of our times. he's tried more cases than any other living lawyer. if you ever had a chance to see him in court, it's just a sight to behold. it really is. we're so grateful that he could be h