when this tax payers' money is used dollar for dollar to repay tarp, on the tarp accounting fraud, is that accounted for in a different way than the banks. >> of course. when we describe the congress with the overall estimates are, we take into consideration the net effect of this program. we make it clear in that context. >> that is not repayment of taxpayer dollars? >> the bottom line is these investments you call in, overwhelming positive return. i want to be clear. when you talk about a total number of tarp repayments, this is not included. >> we show both numbers. we showed that tarp payments alone, and then we show what the estimates are. >> so it is a foot in the? >> now we know how many banks and we have exactly the numbers. you will see when we showed that that the overall return of the tax payers was overwhelmingly positive to a substantial degree. >> i want to submit to the record, and we are by to get this clear, you have a quotation from him that appeared. >> i am instructing the staff to call this tournament and find if he wants to go by this letter or misquotation in th

. >> straight ahead, remember tarp? it was supposed to help people struggling with their mortgages so why does it feel like nothing was fixed? we'll ask the former inspector general of tarp next. and on this date back in 1995, mariah carrey's hit song "fantasy" numero ono. that's good morning, veggie style. hmmm [ male announcer ] for half the calories -- plus veggie nutrition. could've had a v8. yeah, i toog nyguil bud i'm stild stubbed up. [ male announcer ] truth is, nyquil doesn't un-stuff your nose. really? [ male announcer ] alka-seltzer plus liquid gels fights your worst cold symptoms, plus it relieves your stuffy nose. [ deep breath ] thank you! that's the cold truth! call "star," "star," n-f-l to download it now. only from verizon. >> it's been three years that the treasury department has dumped billions of dollars in a thing called tarp. from tarp came hamp but it's not working. former inspector general will testify on the hill today about tarp. why we needed it then and what's it doing now? first off, neil, f

tarp, we are so mad about tarp. tarp got paid back by the 20 largest banks. i several owed 250 billion. they will not raise fees. when the government get the banks not to raise fees by jobs welding torches they will control your business next. >> and the press conference on thursday, do you want to dictate the profits and he said no. but that is the sense you get out of washington. >> show and not tell. >> i think i heard what you said, dennis, you can't tell banks what to do with the money or assess the fees. >> we came close to nationalizing the banks in 2008, when they were in trouble. >> despite the president's rhetoric that's what they will do. they will turn them in a virtual. >> it would be stagnation and no job creation. >> they fired people at bing and bradley in great britain. i am saying break up the banks. they assess any fees they want. >> kim, we are talking about more than the banks breaking up. we are talking about the government directing how to deal with the loans? >> i think the government has a little bit of a say. we bailed it out. >> the

they raided the plaza because, they said, fo tof the tarps. they stole our food and left the tarps. it is the most progressive movement of the last two generations. if san francisco would like to be taken seriously, i call upon the board of supervisors to pass a resolution in full support of the occupy movement in general. i am here to make a personal commitment. i hereby promise to only vote for politicians who support the movement of wholeheartedly and not just with lift service, but with action. thank you, and that is all i have to say. >> hello, my name is cody. that is what happened on sunday when police were stealing our food and tarps. i had a need put on my head into the street. it was painful, it still hurts. i was held in a police van, cited a few hours later and released. i am appalled that this type of police action, police brutality and excessive force was used. it is in direct violation of our constitutional and basic human rights. i would also like to bring to your attention that the police department has spent over $2 million in policing occupy sf. we have a right to

they raided the plaza because, they said, fo tof the tarps. they stole our food and left the tarps. it is the most progressive movement of the last two generations. if san francisco would like to be taken seriously, i call upon the board of supervisors to pass a resolution in full support of the occupy movement in general. i am here to make a personal commitment. i hereby promise to only vote for politicians who support the movement of wholeheartedly and not just with lift service, but with action. thank you, and that is all i have to say. >> hello, my name is cody. that is what happened on sunday when police were stealing our food and tarps. i had a need put on my head into the street. t

we talk about a total front of tarp repayment, we show the tarp the payment alone and then we account for it to show with the estimates are. >> so it is it that no? it is counted and then you have up but no? >> when you see the new numbers after the program that just closed on september 28th, we know how many banks came and you will see when we next show it, the full picture. you will see when we show it that the overall return of the american tax payers of these banks was overwhelmingly positive. >> thank you, senator vitter. i want to submit this for the record. you have a "that appears from " the wall street journal" and i have a letter showing the opposite. the hearing is to get this in the record. does the gentleman want to go by his letter or his quote in the paper? , the record to-- i want the record to show the truth. it was designed by those of us that designed this program. it was not a program to help small banks lend or to help. this program was designed differently. while the numbers were not as high, it seems to work for the banks to step up and managed to use it. >> tha

we show the tarp numbers alone.ve a separate number to show the estimates. >> there is a footnote. >> this program just closed on september 28. now we know how many banks came and what they did with it. you will see when we show it that the overall return to the american taxpayer was overwhelmingly positive to a substantial degree. >> we will submit for the record the truth on the record. i am instructing the staff to call this gentleman and see if he wants to go by the letter or his quotation in the newspaper. i will give you a copy of the heartland letter. i want the record to reflect the truth. it was not a dollar for dollar swap with tarp. it was 1/3 of the bank's refinancing with tarp. it was designed by those of us who supported the program. it should be no shock it was done. tarp was not a program to help small banks lend. it was a program to bail out big banks from bad investments. this program was designed differently the numbers were not as high as we would have liked, but it seems to work. the banks stepp

but there was no accord on the tarps, which were back. san francisco supervisor says that police need to be more flexible with the occupiers. >> we have to provide space to do it. or else they're going create their own. goitsing to get ugly. >> the protesters say they're here to stay what it takes we're not going away. this is justice. >> and there is you can see the tarps and tents are back here and the chief says officers will try to convince protestors to take these down before 10:30 tonight ask will not say if there will be a repeat of last night if they don't. we're waiting for them to march down market street for another rally. >> and thank you very much. to new york now occupy wall street members are celebrating a one-month anniversary tonight. >> and they seemed subdued of a weekend that saw a victor wrus in a about thel to stay in the park. there is plenty of support and $300,000 in the bank and news from financial world may make their message stronger, citi group says earnings grew 74% and another big bank weighed in with 21% gr

gave money to the tarps with provision and warranties.'t know if taxpayers want a warranty in solyndra it is free money that is aimed at very fragile, frail and companies that are on the brink. do we want that? ? and what is happening, vc guys know it. they are doing subsidy start ups that take advantage of the government subidies to line their pockets and doing it in california. >> morgan, the fact is, right now, there is a shake up going on in the solar trea in the united states. a lot of companies are going down. solyndra, a lot of people could see the hand writing on solyndra long before the president offered his or our help in ternals of taxpayer money. >> let's let solyndra die a not so sunny death. and in california tax breaks that equal 104 million. that is peanuts compared to the federal and tax break. even for traditional oil and natural gas companies that might change with president obama's new legislation. we are seeing tax breaks everywhere. you want to go after tax breakings. go after google and 2.4 percent tax break. >> may

they put some tarps up back this morning. they heard there might be raids last night. the protestors said that didn't happen. when the mayor was asked, do you expect to send a police presence here again, he didn't answer. so we'll have to wait and see what he says in today's meeting. back to you. >> thank you, kristy seifkin live in san francisco. >>> today palestinians celebrated the release of hundreds of prisoners as part of the swap for israeli soldier gilad shalit. ♪ [ music ] >> 1,000 palestinians were transferred from release -- [ indiscernible ] [ inaudible ] >> shalit was released after 5 years. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu welcomed him. there are signs he is suffering from malnutrition. >>> secretary of state hillary clinton made a surprise visit to libya today. she met with the country's interim leader and its new prime minister. and clinton pledged $11 million in new u.s. aid. most of the money will go toward finding missing weapons from the old regime of moammar qaddafi. the u.s. will also pay to treat wounded anti-qaddafi fighters. >> we plan

they want one of those tarps to be taken down.ly the topic of what the mayor spoke about today. >> we are going to draw the line with overnight camping. >>reporter: the mayor is not shy about talking about the occupy san francisco. >> we're also going to exhibit our tolerance. >>reporter: different camp sites have been taken down with specific reasons. >> we have a level of tolerance in the daytime. the overnight camping with fires and propane tanks posts and a danger. we are going that at night because that is where the danger occurs. if they start camping out at night. if >>reporter: during the board of supervisors meeting he was aho interrupted. >> excuse me, you are out of order. if (cheers & applause) >>reporter: i asked the mayor if this camp is going to be raided. >> and i hope not. there has been a dedicated effort. with overnight camping and gas tanks is still a danger we to not want to take. >>reporter: you can see these tarps in the distance. directly across let me reiterate what is going on. within the two blocks of th

i want to go back to tarp. and see if we agree on some $700 billion for banks and $30 billion for homeowners under the -- program. is that correct, mr. secretary? >> no. when i took office and the president took office. >> i didn't ask you when you took office but according to tarp. how much money was there in tarp? >> there was 700 authorized for the system as a whole. >> and how much was authorized under ham? >> i'm going to -- >> it's already half a minute. >> $700 billion authorized and how much was authorized for ham? >> 50 for ham. 30 on -- >> i'm not -- that's not the question! see we ask the questions. i know it's uncomfortable. but every now and then we ask questions. you're answering questions i haven't even asked, so you might be getting ahead of yourself a little bit, mr. secretary. so there was $50 billion for ham, is that what you stated? >> authorized for ham. >> how much of that $50 billion was snent >> a very small amount. >> $2 billion. >> how much has been spent? >> very little. >> you won't

there was one target of was an -- one tarp. so more have appeared.o get those taken down, because if you cannot see through, it is another hazard. it is an obstruction, but we will continue to try to gain compliance. we will continue to put porta- potti is down there. we will continue to work with the mayor's office and the department of public health, and we drop garbage cans all over the place. there are extra garbage cans we service every day. this is all at city expense. no one is asking anything of the demonstrators, but we are trying to be smart about what appears to be something that may go on for quite some time. >> i appreciate that, and i appreciate your efforts. do we have plans in place in case this movement gets larger? i did not know how many people are there now. i want to know, presumably we are talking fire department, mayor's office, but it does seem to be a reasonable possibility that we can be here for a while, and we are thinking not just about today but about next month. >> so does the question where do i anticipate a leaderless

all of these tarps are highly flammable. it is a situation. it is great to sit there when it is peacetime and that will never happen, but i do not think anyone wants rats of the campsite. i do not think anyone wants anyone to get harmed, and i had to use my judgment as chief of police in trying to make it safe. that is why i wrote it down. i met lawyers and all, and it has been about safety. if we can keep it saves, but i think when there are comments about we are going to do this, there is a certain want to be antagonistic, and i am resisting the tendency to be antagonize, and i have gone to great lengths to get support of parties done -- to get support of parties -- to get port-a- potties done. >> this may be one of those things were commissioners disagree, but for me personally, i do not want you stopping what you are going to do. u.s. got emergency is to deal with. -- you have got emergency to deal with. whatever you are going to do is fine with me, because we are going to disagree. what ever you got to do, it is not important for me to ge

>> on sunday night, police began tearing down tents and tarps set up by occupiers. this, after warning them that rules prohibited structures from being erected in the plaza and that no visitors were allowed after 10:00 p.m. they blocked streets around justin herman plaza and surrounded public works trucks carrying tarps. and someone slashed a tire of one of the vehicles. police forcibly removed those who occupied streets. five were arrested. and police chief greg said actions were justified. >> there were weapons sufficient enough in that encampment to puncture a tire, windows were broken on trucks. so there was a violence factor here. >> last night, protestors expected police to repete what happened sunday night but they were wrong this, morning, tarps were still there. and this man rents bicycles. his booth is next to the encampment. most of his kmirz are tourists. he says they're avoiding the plaza. >> i'd say the number of people decreased by 50%. and yes, it's been hurting us badly since this started. >> and the supervisor says he will introduce a formal resolu

did he not tell us what officers would do tonight or if tarps aren't removed by sock. you heard they're determined to stay here and may get help from oakland. they're going to be here tonight that. is the latest from justin herman plaza. >> thank you very much z now back to oakland. occupy oakland people have some guests today. three graduates were all there, and laura anthony was there. they made an impact. didn't they? >> that is right. they spoke about 20 minutes and there are folk that's were quite happy to see them. and before that things got tense this, is video from our own photographer randy davis, surrounded at one point by demonstrators who objectedded to his taking video of the camp. and there are a couple reporters and police were called and confronted by protestors who chanted for them to leave. again this, is a public space and demonstrators decided and they say they made their own laws, excluding media. after that, three hikers took center stage. >> we came back to this country and this feels like coming home, coming home to oakland. this is amazing and

they were asked to remove their tents and tarps. official removed them. things heated up there. were protestors in the streets reportly one of them -- there were protestors in the streets, reportedly one of them stabbed tires on a vehicle leading to the arrest of one man, reportedly for assaulting an officer and then four more people blocking the road and resisting arrest. now, many of the protestors who were here over the weekend are still here determined to work with police to be able to stay here at the plaza. >> i understand that they just have a job to do? and i feel their dedication to their jobs. and i hope that when they start going after the criminals on wall street, that they will come to our aid and they will take them down. >> reporter: so city officials and police say that they are concerned that these protests are becoming even more violent. and they point to protestors like jeff kent who was the man who was arrested over the weekend and charged with battery of an officer. he is in jail and will be arraigned at 9 a.m. the protests took a more peaceful route yesterd

there's a pantry for food, some sleeping bags and tarps for shelter, as for a bathroom, they have beenning to this starbucks across the street. they have even started a medical team complete with homemade treatments for exposure to perp spray. just in case. >> my purpose here is to make sure that the people are taken care of during the occupation, during protest. >> you're not alone if you are wondering, what exactly are they protesting? wall street greed, high unemployment. >> right now it is a little bit disorganized, but i feel with time and with everybody getting together, that it will grow and become more unified. >> real democracy takes time and so we are here for the long haul. >> you know, i think this sums it up well. occupy everything. now so far these protests have been very peaceful. there's been no arrests, no conflict with police like we have seen with those occupy wall street protests in new york. so in theory, these people could possibly stay here for the long haul provided that they don't pitch any tents or put up any tarps or do anything else illegal, but keep in mind

tarp a break.d work. i want to congratulate dana for her consistent, persistent call for an investigation in to the loans. i also, the reason they don't do solyndra is it's already being investigated. actually a prosecutorial fashion. it is a good idea. i held back for a long time. i confess now that it look like it's worthwhile to have an investigation. i'm glad they'll do it and hopefully get it done as quickly as they can so it's not part of the campaign as far as 2012. eric will keep it going to 2020. >> dana: one final point on that point, 2012. the white house needs a fall back. preferably not one running for president. unfortunately, someone in the halls of d.o.e. thinks i hope the target is not on my back. >> eric: bob ripped up the mask of steven chu. he's the one that should be fall guy. >> kimberly: good mask. >> eric: secretary of energy. >> kimberly: so that means we can move on. everybody is behaving well tonight. i love it. talk about money and lobbyists and is there a difference her

to tell us to take down our tarps, to tell us we cannot eat, to sleep there, period. you have to change the constitution of the united states to do that. we are going to eat and sleep and we are not moving. obama does not have the right to come and tell us to move. we are not leaving. if you want to take it to court, we will take you to the supreme court for our robbery, kidnapping, etc. thank you. president mazzucco: thank you. the next speaker. good evening. >> in good evening. my name is tracy. i do not wanted piggyback or my brother was saying before, but i work in the community and i work at the market and. i have been seeing a lot of, what i consider to be abuse. i have seen it -- because i am a very close comrade to greg carpenter, i have seen it since july, him being antagonize. having police officers come up to us and say things like -- it is insulting. it is an issue where it is a matter -- i think it is a matter of safety. just recently, he had officers at his home. there were videotaping. we have seen this. i have seen officers come up to us while we were

tarp a break.d work. i want to congratulate dana for her consistent, persistent call for an investigation in to the loans. i also, the reason they don't do solyndra is it's already being investigated. actually a prosecutorial fashion. it is a good idea. i held back for a long time. i confess now that it look like it's worthwhile to have an investigation. i'm glad they'll do it and hopefully get it done as quickly as they can so it's not part of the campaign as far as 2012. eric will keep it going to 2020. >> dana: one final point on that point, 2012. the white house needs a fall back. preferably not one running for president. unfortunately, someone in the halls of d.o.e. thinks i hope the target is not on my back. >> eric: bob ripped up the mask of steven chu. he's the one that should be fall guy. >> kimberly: good mask. >> eric: secretary of energy. >> kimberly: so that means we can move on. everybody is behaving well tonight. i love it. talk about money and lobbyists and is there a difference her

there are tarps and not tents which seems to be staving off further police action. you can see there are a lot of trash cans here, public health has been through here doing inspections, elizabeth. the cops have been here. the mayor said more than $100,000 in taxpayer money has been spent dealing with "occupy sf" so far. >> joe vazquez in san francisco, thank you. >>> it's usually a black eye on your background check but if you have a rap sheet, why california employers could actually be anxious to hire you. >>> plus, the hunt for a hawk in the bay area after what appears to be a troubling case of animal cruelty. >>> invasively broke my back. emotionally and financially. >> disaster struck and his insurance claims were denied. we highlight the fine print so now if you're covered. ,, california should be proud. we were the first to ban smoking on airplanes. the first to have smoke-free bars and restaurants. all while saving over $86 billion in health care costs... and over a million lives. we've done a good job. but even if you were born today, you'd still grow up in

you had a moseying up to the tarp bailout man a company like american express, is not more than a few weeks, all of a sudden became a bank and got 3.4 billion dollars out of the total 700 billion dollars. now, yes, some of the wall street firms were more or less strong armed, but let's taste it, everyone was there, lobbyists hired and everyone want today get the free money because that's the, you know, that's the currency of wall street. that's their, their bill of goods, if you will that he they use. and no money and no downside. >> hold on, i want jonas in here. some bailouts are not a bad thing. >> i don't think they would qualify as bailouts. i think, giving money to banks when they're in trouble. as american as apple pie. >> what pie are you talking about? >> it goes back before the federal reserve when they had bank panics in the 1900's and people get together. and because banking is not like bailing out an auto company. banking industry is part and parcel of the capitalist system and you want the investment banking, higher risk loans and occasionally that doesn't work and they

. >> brenda: but it's not tarp, it's not just tarp, toby, it's like we are mad. we're not getting what we want. >> yeah, i think my-- >> and i would wear a nirvana t-shirt or something and have a sign that says i'm mad about, blank line. i went down there yesterday and literally there have to be, i saw, every person that handed me a sticker, a button was for a different thing for crying out loud. and i think the message from this is that there are people who have this angst about their future and feel it's stolen from them and they have a right to do that and maybe people in washington would listen. >> brenda. >> brenda: you think about it, but the bargain here, gary b, used to be you work hard and you're able to get a house and able to get a job and in many places that bargain has been broken and there is something to be said for that. >> sure. and there's no doubt about it, brenda, but we'll have to get back to, you know, why the bargain is being broken and i think that comes, quite honestly, from the uncertainty in the economy, you know, i'm sure the occupy wa

. >> joe: they're going to bring the tarp back on the field. after a 41-minute delay, we're going to have another. we've played 13 minutes. the tigers got two runs. they have the bases loaded, two out. there is verlander. we finally see justin. >> terry: this will be really interesting. if this lasts any time at all, when they go back out, if they go out and get somebody like koji uehara or darren oliver to snuff this out and then go to ogando. >> joe: because those two are good against left-handers. >> terry: very good. uehara in my opinion, he throws all strikes. he has dominated left-handers. probably just what you want in that situation. and a reliever. ogando hasn't been relieving this year. that is a tough situation to bring that kid in to. >> joe: if you want to read lips of justin verlander, he is saying to jim leyland i'm good. >> terry: i have a feeling jim leyland is probably going to listen to him at least for a while. >> joe: rain lightens up a bit. >> terry: this is taxing on pitchers, though. we waited 45 minutes. he went and war

this was a bush administration what henry paulson from former goldman sachs's got get of gave us a tarp that poll after poll showed was overwhelmingly opposed by americans it never should have been done we should all let chrysler and general motors go down and i have no doubt that if they had it happened they're good assets would have been bought by other automakers maybe some new automakers would or is it would have arisen i live near and what is can osha wisconsin and i was in juneau should just last weekend people in this country forget there used to be a big four automakers the big the fourth was american motors which used to be headquartered in into an osha when kenosha went down part of that company was bought by chrysler people forget that m merica motors used to own jeep i have no doubt if chrysler and if general motors had been allowed to fail other automakers would have bought good parts of those companies and we would be rolling along much faster than we are now all right now we're going in the senate john you know when i asked everyone who. ran their budget and i said this g

tarp a break.d work. i want to congratulate dana for her consistent, persistent call for an investigation in to the loans. i also, the reason they don't do solyndra is it's already being investigated. actually a prosecutorial fashion. it is a good idea. i held back for a long time. i confess now that it look like it's worthwhile to have an investigation. i'm glad they'll do it and hopefully get it done as quickly as they can so it's not part of the campaign as far as 2012. eric will keep it going to 2020. >> dana: one final point on that point, 2012. the white house needs a fall back. preferably not one running for president. unfortunately, someone in the halls of d.o.e. thinks i hope the target is not on my back. >> eric: bob ripped up the mask of steven chu. he's the one that should be fall guy. >> kimberly: good mask. >> eric: secretary of energy. >> kimberly: so that means we can move on. everybody is behaving well tonight. i love it. talk about money and lobbyists and is there a difference her

police asked the protestors to remove their tents and tarps. they refused.crews moved in, removing all the equipment. things heated up. the protestors blocked roads, reportedly stabbed tires on one of the city vehicles and police eventually arrested one protestors, reportedly for assaulting an officer and then four more individuals who police said were block the road and also resisting arest. now, many of the protestors that were here over the weekend still here at the plaza. and they say that they are determined to work with police and city officials to be able to stay here and continue to camp out at the plaza. >> try to go to city hall and talk to them, solve all of this thing without violence. i really don't think we're doing anything wrong here. i have seen a lot of good. this has changed a lot of people's lives for the better. >> reporter: city officials and police are concerned that the protests have become increasingly violent. jeff kent was arrested over the weekend and charged with battery of a police officer. he will be arraigned at 9 a.m. he is i

will there be another enforcement action to take down the tarps and tents? >> i'm going to announce that we're emphasizing a stronger communications with them. i understand what "occupy sf" is attempting to do and i want to help them get that message in a positive way, but they need to also respect that we have to balance everyone's rights and i want to be able to communicate that thoroughly first. >> reporter: so there may be more enforcement and tearing down tents. >> there could be but i'm hopeful that they can listen to us. >> reporter: so it appears that both sides are talking and listening and there may be a compromise in the works. as you can see, there are still tarps here but all the tents came down sunday night and there haven't been any more pop up here. so as of now, no police action. it doesn't appear there's any movement in that direction. dana, i should also mention the mayor's office put out a number today. more than $100,000 in taxpayer money, $80,000 of which are police officers on overtime, to deal with "occupy sf." >> thank you, joe vazqu