that spurs economic growth, activity, and jobs. >> host: brenan sasso? >> guest: shouldn't google or microsoft, why shouldn't they have to pay? since we talked about how valuable spectrum is, why shouldn't they pay like at&t or verizon pays? >> guest: when you pay, you get the exclusive use. without license, nobody pays. it's a parkland everybody owns. everybody can go in and play. everyone benefits. anyone can enter the space. i'm not worried about google, at&t, and verizon. they own it which is fine. they control -- they can do a lot with it, and they can use it for what we've been talking about unlicensed uses or any uses, any entrepreneur can jump in and produce great productings whether it's family radio or communications or the garage door opener that many of us rely upon. >> guest: there's a lot of different parts of congress, the super committee, the separate bill, dealing with spectrum, and so i'm wondering how you think this gets done? what is the most likely avenue? also in the president's jobs bill, that's looking less likely now, but this le

. >> host: brenan sasso. >> guest: the letter mentions i'll proving the government's i.t., information technology, and so it claims that the federal government can reduce spending by more than a trillion dollars over the next ten years by upgrading i.t.. how is that possible? >> guest: well, certainly technology, itself, the benefit of technology is that it does save money in the long run. companies of their own freedom invest in technology so they can perform better, be efficient, provide better customer service, and get more customers. the government has to do like wise. various states have done this. the experience i have at virginia department of motor vehicles is exceptional. virginia as a state invested in technology, be a pro-business state, it's bipartisan, every governor did it for 20 years, the legislature does it, and it works. the federal government, i think, can do the same thing saying we have tremendous amounts of information, we provide the service whether it's to the veterans or medicare, or medicate, let's invest in the i.t. infrastructure to provide better service. t