so -- because according to daou, gadhafi was getting more worried and erratic.was getting afraid at that point. so they decided to leave in this convoy that he described as a very chaotic plan. they had absolutely no plan to fight no, plan to flee, and they just got in these cars. delayed in leaving because of an undisciplined civilian force that had dropped in numbers, according to daou. as soon as they left the city, it was daylight at that point, and they were struck by nato jets, later surrounded by the rebels, who opened fire on them, and he says he was hit by shrapnel in his back and lost consciousness, so he doesn't know what happened to gadhafi and how he died. >> so this whole question of whether it was an execution or crossfire, he really has no sense of an answer to that? >> well, erin, i have to point out that our interview was conducted in the presence of his interrogators and throughout the interview he praised the revolution and the will of the people. so it sounds a bit convenient, or too convenient here for him to have lost consciousness or say