deng xiaoping? he was somewhat protected the first couple years. the cultural revolution began in '66. he was criticized as one of the two leaders of the pitalist road and they were denounced and there was parade after parade we those two were criticized. but one of them died in jail witht medical treatment and in '69 deng was sentdown to the countryside where he w given quite a reasonable home. he had to work in the factory every morning, he had to start everyday with an hour of studying mao tse-tung poet and my chinese friends who have studied party history are convinced that what mao was doing was saying look, you've got to listen to me a little more closely. you have an important future but you must listen and study my work more carefully. and then when lin bio died who was mao's appointed successor, surely theywere having to bring deng back and it w clear he was one of the people he was cultivating to be one of the two or three successors. >> rose: andhat did he think, deng chao peng, of the cultural rev constitution? >> he thought it was horr

of system they have now which you suggest is now the path of modernization not even the path of deng xiaoping but rather a breakthrough right. now that is absolutely q why do you think it's more typical of russia to move by leaps and bounds you know simple because we don't have very much time left if you look at the key indicators of personally told me the very same words twenty five years ago there is no time left if we don't move ahead with very strong then it will be done in over with it was right in saying that but he did it all on saying you doing are two different things to do iti of brazil china number of other countries are developing at a faster pace than we are here to do you many international markets are close to russia today we don't have competitive products so what is the future hold for us will we still be happy with his slowly declining g.d.p. growth going from five to three percent we need to realize that these figures are very much exaggerated and ten to fifteen years of slow growth will be out competed in chinese doing only brazil is doing a week is doing a leap there are

. >> host: until now he was succeeded by deng xiaoping to which revolutionized the economy because hewas under agriculture and reforms had laid the framework for we see today. great? >> guest: ray. he, for mao everything was radiology. he said i don't know whether it's black or gray as long as it catches mice. so anything that were as acceptable and he liberated the energy to the chinese people. one has to remember the last 2000 years in 1800 of the last 2000 years, china has the largest growth -- grossed about a product of the world. in 1970 cello part because of the fact of colonialism. but the chinese economic growth didn't take place until 30 years ago. in a cow would you describe chinese capitalism? would you describe it as meters capital movement? >> i would describe it as they call it -- what do they call it? market economy -- >> host: chinese characteristics? >> guest: what it is is market economics, vacated by strategic decisions from distended which helped establish priorities. so far it has worked amazingly at eight to 10% over a 30 year period is an extraordinary achieveme

. >> host: succeeded by deng xiaoping who really revolutionized the chinese economy because he began reform through agriculture. he began agricultural reform that had laid the framework for what we see today. right? >> guest: right. for mao everything was ideology. i don't know whether it is black or gray as long as it catches mice, so anything that worked was acceptable and he liberated the energy to the chinese people. one has to remember that over the last 2,000 years in 1800 in the last 2000 years china had the largest growth domestic product in the world in the 19th century because of the impact of the colonialism. but the chinese economic growth didn't really take place until just about 30 years ago. >> host: how would you describe chinese katulis on? would you describe it as managed capitalism? >> guest: i would describe it as what would we call it i think a market economy -- >> host: chinese characteristics. >> guest: but it is market economics and guided by strategic decisions from the center which holds establish priorities, and so far it has worked amazingly to have a grow