congressman donald payne of new jersey, phil gingrey, republican of georgia.st: that's just this year so far. the messenger: 2011 up to now. guest: -- host: 2011 up to now. guest: and one trip to barcelona to talk about muslims in the world and u.s. policy towards muslim. so, again, barcelona seems like a pricey and out-of-the-way place but they got a lot of experts together to talk about how to deal with the interaction between the west and the muslims in the world and so the number looks high. oh, by the way, they took their wives, spouses on these trips as well. so again the number looks high because you see they're going to fun places. host: kay writes on twitter -- congress, ever hear of skype? guest: again, i can make the argument because i have been on trips to poll significances. you go, you -- politicians. you go, you see something, you talk about policy. you see how the place functions. you can understand how that will be valuable from a policy standpoint. but your twitter follower is exactly right. couldn't skype save us a bunch of money here? seems