he said, you know, i admire facebo bause they don't want to sell out.so i actually think that is one of the ways in which we saw eyeo-eye on kind of whate were trying to do in the world. i just think because of that it just wouldn't have come up. >> rose: microsoft owns a piece of facebook. >> uh-huh. >> rose: you've had an opportunity i'm sure to sell. you'll never sell, is that a fair -- >> no one even asks any more. >> rose: too big, nobody can afford you any more s that the essential idea. >> yeah. >> rose: and you, can you imagine wanting to buy somebody. >> we buy companies all the time. >> rose: but they are small, small companies. and they're companies driven by certain expertise or certain software. >> i don't think that buying a company or selling a company is necessarily a good or a bad thing. i just think that the key thing you need to realize is that when you go through a transaction like that, what you are changes. right. and if you are now owned by someone else, then your goals are going to either quickly or over time become their goals,