mr. abernathy, let me just say another thing is this book is aimed to -- it's a loyal critique, an inside critique of the ngos, of the u.n., of the development machine. it's not a savage critique. it's saying how can we do better as you just did. >> but the 80-pound gorilla in the room, if organized correctly these ngos could be much more effective. so they're doing amazing stuff. i saw with my own two eyes. >> yeah. >> amazing stuff. >> saving lives but imagine what they could be doing if they were coordinated in a more effective way. >> in general to many church-related, synagogue-related, mosque-related, all religion-related groups, what would be your message? >> my message would be, you know, although your mission is maybe different from the, say, public education and public health -- and i'm talking about those two areas largely, although we got to talk about agriculture and food security -- even though your mission is different, it can be complementary to the goals of the public health and public education and public water systems. let me put it even more -- with more humility on my