has justice been served tonight, mr. oxman? >> reverend, i feel very empty by this verdict. i don't think that justice is served. i think the result was the right result, that dr. conrad murray was, in fact, guilty as charged. but as to whether or not this brings michael some kind of rest or his family peace or closure, i feel so empty. and the one thing, as i listen to you, reverend, i remember that michael jackson loved you. and the problem is, that we don't have him anymore. and no matter what the verdict today, he's not going to be here and he isn't going to be able to tell you and talk to you anymore or to me. >> when you look at what this doctor's facing and he's facing maybe only probation, up to four years, loss of a medical license, up to $10,000 in fines and i'm hearing commentators saying already, well, michael made him do it, michael demanded drugs. michael lost his life. there is no michael. these three children have no father. mrs. jackson and mr. jackson has no son. i think the dehumanizing of artists and athletes when they reach an iconic stage is what mr. ox