mcgovern's presidential campaign, pat caddell is here. the editor of citizen jane politics and the contributor to the daily beast, patricia murphy. republican u.s. senate candidate in texas, ted cruz joins us. and your web site is ted cruz.org. let's start, just briefly with the penn state child sex abuse scandal because this is such a horrifying story. pat, your thoughts? >> i think it's just -- emblem emblematic of the colleges and the football programs, chasing after money. you know, this has spread throughout our society, lack of any moral responsibility when they see something wrong, if it will affect their job or their career or whatever. it's endemic -- epidemic in this country. it's awful. the people who let this go on should be -- >> i mean, that's the thing, patricia. we have seen numerous people having knowledge of this over many, many years and nobody report its to law enforcement? >> i don't know how many times this has to happen until everybody in the country happeneds, if you see anything -- if you hear anything, if you hear anything might be true, could be true, is in any way possible, do something. it is not okay