t. boone pickens that i broke some class to make the point that creates jobs for a glassmaker. unseen part what you were going to do with that money you are now not going do and that takes away jobs some where else. >> judge jeanine: the department of energy, what have they done other than change light bulbs, what have they done? >> managed the nuclear stockpile. the billions of dollars on making bad bets. they do have some stuff to show for it. >> judge jeanine: like what? >> well, i'm not ready to produce -- >> judge jeanine: it's the light bulb. solyndra went to hell and right now we have this company. >> clean coal went to hell. hydrogen car. have they succeeded there? i covered one story the serious materials company. they make windows. president obama praised the company. vice president biden went to the company to praise them. are the windows so superior they get all the praise and money? no. someone who works there was married to somebody in the energy department. >> judge jeanine: they aren't venture capitalists. the companies go to wall street ajdabiya wall street kno

t. boone pickens said that's about a $700 billion nut, and we -- and we import that oil.to do that? >> we all want to. how? >> if you use hydroponics with low energy l.e.d. lighting and grow your food next to where you live. there's no transportation costs. >> by virtue of the vertical farm reducing the carbon footprint. >> period, that simple. all you have to do is do it. >> hold on. one more problem. >> i've got solutions. >> i see that. i like this. so, okay, fine. we can reduce our carbon footpri footprint. >> right. >> we can get better food for ourselves and children. we can learn more because we're involved with the verticality of our food sourcing, it's fun for us. we can grow fancy tomatoes and have a good time and it's great. >> i like that. >> the co-op board or the building management company. >> right. >> or the urban planning building management regional zone director person, or theç lawyer for those people. >> yes. >> may not like it when i head up to the roof of my building in chicago, miami, san francisco, st. louis, los angeles and start planting tomato

t. boone pickens is mentioned. there's the guy in china. >> guest: wang. >> host: what is it about, you know, oil and natural gas in this whole arena that attracts these larger-than-life personalities? >> guest: is also true like the wind chapter has great characters. >> host: all of them. >> guest: for solar. these two guys, the first solar company -- [talking over each other] >> guest: one of them is still around. spiking it with coca-cola. honey, these guys who know nothing about this say let's go into the solar business. one of things i love doing this book is witty things come from, where did the solar business come from, where did when come from? and court were to be natural gas come from. and i think the energy business, it does have a lot of people who are very strong-willed who can take a lot of disappointment and maybe are somewhat obsessive and sticking with things, even when it looks like the people are saying you are crazy, white a doing that? so i don't find these characters who carry the story a long

t. boone pickens and the guy in a china that i will probably murder his name. wane.is it about oil and natural gas in this whole arena that attracts these larger-than-life personalities? >> guest: it's also true like the chapter has great character. >> host: throw the book solar -- >> guest: the first solar company -- one of them is still around making these things spiking it with coca-cola that know nothing about business or what is going in the solar business helping the government put satellites. one of the reasons i love doing this book is where do these things come from? where does wind come from, and of course where do the revolution natural gas come from? and i think that the energy business does have a lot of people who are very strong-willed who can take a lot of disappointment and maybe they are somewhat obsessive thinking about things even when it looks like the people are saying you are crazy. why are you doing that? so i love finding the characters who carry the story along almost novelistic way very important and have very important impacts in what happ