pat caddell, you are the democratic pollster, he's in trouble? >> he's in deep trouble.bs poll was 41-54 saying he shouldn't be re-elected. the harvard poll showing young people giveim a disapproval rating. i am telling you, the reason he's in the ballgame is because the republican party has no narrative. and nobody seems to understand how to speak to what i keep saying is the prerevolutionary moment. >> only 43% and this is very early days, anything could happen, but only 43% say the incumbent president with all the power of the incumbency that he deserves to be re-elected. >> those are terrible numbers. kigo back to what i said before, the reason the numbers are so bad is because of the way the condition of the economy is. and i can truly tell you that there is another number that wasn't put on that screen and that is that people -- in the majority, 52, 54%, they have a likeability factor with obama. they seem to like him and to say that maybe, you know, he's -- he's a likeable guy, but maybe he is not up to the job. when you look at romney, he looks like the guy -- yo

any form, he gets angry and i'm sitting across from him so it is not a good combination we have pat caddell not one bit impressed. >>guest: i thought it was cheap. cheesy ad to tell you the truth. first of all, everything is out of context, the two presidents what they are doing, i want to tell you this is the problem of the political class speaking to it self. trying to tell people that obama is carter is ridiculous because they cannot make the narrative they need about obama and that is about issues going on now. this is a bunch of people sitting in washington and that would be clever because we would get it. >>neil: but it is not the first right to draw parallel between presidency. >>guest: that is an argument but to try to jam that together does not work. much better what is going on right now in europe because what everyone in the press has missed, to my opinion, last week the re-election of president obama the campaign has been in europe the past week spending two days last week at the white house, meaning with europeans around-the-clock, and he has geithner over there, and he has bid

you know caddell and shown wrote a piece, begging him to get out, make way for hillary. they said his only chance is to run such a scorcher campaign that even if he win, he has torn the country apart, divided it worse than it's been in decades, not worth the price of his re-election -- and he wouldn't have a mandate to do anything. i think he is eminently defeatable. i don't believe the inside-the-beltway conventional wisdom. >> you mention hillary clinton, would she have been a different president? >> not ideologically. >> how about in what she accomplished? >> i think she would have sought the same kind of thing. i don't know if she would have succeeded in health care. but people have forgotten -- look, they were this close to deeming it passed because they really didn't have the votes for teven with their own party. there was so much fenagelling to get it passed. whether hillary koop could have gotten it done. she's a disciple of the same community organizer organizer ar that inspired obama. to me, it would be 6 of one, half a dozen of the other. >> has either one of

an area where president obama currently has a clear edge to pat caddell on how all of this is shakingwhat do you think? >> well, i think first of all foreign policy is becoming more important. we have to distinguish between foreign policy that has to do with iran, middle east, egypt, and terrorism taking out bin laden there is a little bit of confusion. the president gets much higher scores on the terrorism, the fighting that war than he gets on foreign policy because and there is much more interest about iran and the concern about islamic terrorism both here and abroad then most of the political class or media understands. i have been doing polling on it very very high. that's one of the things that's actually helped gingrich because he has good points inside the republic contest. >> neil: you and i can pick this apart about economic foreign policy issue. >> yes, it has. >> neil: having said that, i think it comes back, you know, you have been at the front of, this but i think it comes back to how people, how securely it feels that their leader or someone who they want to be their le

. >> well, used to want to be the commissioner of the nfl, but i told roger caddell, when i was struggling with the iranians and russians every day, your job looked pretty good. it actually from northern california, it doesn't look so good anymore. and these days i have to say it, these days being a university professor at stanford university, where the stanford cardinal having quite a special season, you know, come on, you know what the special seasons are like you've got an event. let us have one. that's really the greatest job in the world. minutes. >> without we would have the scattering because secretary rumsfeld's book has not been getting very much attention, so we thought we would make up for that bailey by at least having one event. i know you're not doing anything else to make sure the boat gets the attention it deserves. it is appropriate that we are doing this here at the national constitution center because one of the things the founders were serious about unlike regimes in europe but they were starting this country to be unlike, they wanted to make sure we had a record of our

doug schoen and pat caddel will join me live. we'll have a post-debate wrap up analysis show.ate starts at 9:00. we start at 8:30. that is coming up tonight live on fox. jon: sound good, thank you. jenna: this fox news alert. we'll turn to capitol hill right now. a possible break for the budget impasse just in time to avoid a government shutdown. funny how that happens, right? an extension of the payroll tax who day is focus of the debate, one of the debates. the standoff over spending is bringing the nation to the brink of a shutdown. if it sounds familiar it is. if the congress fails to act the government could run out of money tomorrow night. apparently we're going to figure it out. mike emanuel leif on capitol hill. if the grinch steals christmas, mike, is the grinch going to win out here? is the government going to shut down? >> reporter: jenna, after a meeting at the white house yesterday with senate democratic leadership and after the key congressional leaders met in senator mitch mcconnell's office last night on the brink of a potential government shut down, it sound l

. >> well, used to want to be the commissioner of the nfl, but i told roger caddell, when i was struggling with the iranians and russians every day, your job looked pretty good. it actually from northern california, it doesn't look so good anymore. and these days i have to say it, these days being a university professor at stanford university, where the stanford cardinal having quite a special season, you know, come on, you know what the special seasons are like you've got an event. let us have one. that's really the greatest job in the world. >> thank you, madam secretary. [applause] >> next, an interview with farmer defense secretary donald rumsfeld about his response publish memoirs titled "known and unknown." he sat down with historian, michael beschloss at the national constitution center in philadelphia. this is an hour and 10 minutes. >> we thought we would have this little gathering becauseuld have secretary rumsfeldspoke has notc been getting much attention, so we thought we'd make up for tha. baileys having one of that.n i know you're not doing anything else to make sureyke the b