my mom would play carmen mccrea. >> that's great. well you know, when it comes to music, so vital to the church, as we know, but how did the church make such a transition? some churches battle whether they're going to sing a him or gospel or spiritual. >> i think the transition with gradual. i think mint sister before i got there had done some changes in terms of bringing in chants and other things and a variety of music. we still have a variety of music. we call ourselves the jazz and justice church, but we have, we sing regular himself sometimes. we use chants, we do very, a range of music and it all fits. but, jazz means more to us than just the style of music. >> did you ever have great resistance to it? >> yes, i think some of the people were, one of our dear friends who is now 93. her name's jean. she says she was resisting. she'd always been in the choir and just missed the church music. what she really thought of church music. then she said she started looking around and seeing what joy the congregation had and then she start